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← Previous segment →ink that that would be a big deal. Now here's the fun part. So this little startup, I think calling them a startup is correct, Ground News, sends me this thing because they think I'd be interested and I was. It was pretty interesting. Now by the way there are also stories which show like a big crickets on the right. So the story about Trump's Southern District of New York legal stuff, that was covered mostly by the left and Fox News and that was about it. So it works both ways. But I will note that Fox News is a little bit more likely to cover all the stories than other outlets, at least that's what it looked like. But here's the fun part. So I tweeted the little story about the executive order and I woke up this morning and Trump, President Trump, retweeted it. So this little startup Ground News woke up to something like 60 times the amount of traffic they normally get. So that was fun anyway.
Well let's see. You know I tweeted this as a prediction. Let's see what you think. So I predicted this. There's some day somebody is going to compile a list of companies that employ people who have publicly called for boycotts on other companies. All right, so wouldn't you like to know, when you see somebody on Twitter calling for a boycott, wouldn't you like to know where they work? Because that's just fair, right? The whole point of a boycott, the point of this cancellation culture, is that the cancelers are safe because you don't know much about them. But they found out something about whatever that our target is, whoever they're going to boycott or cancel. They know something extra about that person that causes them trouble. Is it not fair that we just have a little more transparency? Wouldn't you like to know who accuses you in the legal system? You have a right to know who your accuser is. What kind of world would it be if you didn't know who your accuser was? But I think you should also know where they work. You know, what's their job? Because if somebody goes after somebody else's job I think that person has a right to know where do you work? Where do you work, right?
So if you were calling for a boycott on this company Goya, the CEO said some nice things about President Trump and now the left wants to cancel them. Wouldn't you like to know where all those cancelers work or where they work in the future? Because I think that it needs to be mutually assured destruction. You know we need to probably in order to have free speech in this country in a way that the, let's say the market allows as well as the Constitution. Right now the Constitution says yes but the free market says no. Well maybe you can't say those things without losing your job. So with that, with some sense of mutually assured destruction that's somewhat immediate and personal, I don't see any of it ever changing. Because in my opinion it's completely fair to complain about somebody's opinion. Completely fair, of course that's freedom of speech. But when you go after somebody's job because of their opinion, your own job should be at risk. That feels like the minimum, right? If you punch somebody in public, the reason you don't do that is you think you'll get punched back. You know you're even more so than you're worried about going to jail, you'll immediately be punched back. So there's a reason people don't punch people in public. But right now there's no reason you can't try to cancel somebody in public.
Now in my case since I'm a public figure and everybody knows my job, you know if I say something negative about somebody they usually say boycott Dilbert, we're going to boycott, we're going to call all your newspapers and cancel you. To which I say isn't that fair? Isn't it fair then if I were to criticize somebody on social media that they know who I am and where I work? I think that is fair. I would also like to know who they are and where they work. Yeah, just so we have full transparency. I don't think you can solve this otherwise.
So here's some fun news. Cartoonist Gary Larson has decided to come out of retirement and draw some new comics. So you can Google Gary Larson The Far Side. You'll see his site. It'll pop up. So that was just announced. I knew about this for a while because we have the same syndication company but it's exciting there. And he's actually got some new comics there. What's fun about this is that Gary Larson when he retired he had still been drawing on with paper and pen and that was part of his frustration. It's just really hard and not that fun to draw with pencil and paper and pen. And so for his new stuff he's teaching himself to use a digital something like what I use. Imagine he's using the same thing. This is my drawing surface. It's just a computer screen that you can also draw on with a stylus from Wacom. And so you'll see some of his new digital art. Some of you will be very interested in that.
All right. Biden has coming out with some specific proposals that look like they would destroy the country completely. And I've never had that feeling before. I've never actually had the feeling, have you in the past when there have been presidents that were candidates that maybe I liked more than the other? I never really thought that the other candidate would destroy the world. You know when Gore and Bush were running didn't you think well it's not going to be that different no matter who gets elected? Turns out it was quite different because we got a couple of wars out of Bush. But I didn't think in advance it was the end of the world if one got elected versus the other. And generally speaking you know that's what I think. I don't think it would have been the end of the world if Hillary Clinton had been elected because she's sort of moderate, right? You might not like it but it wouldn't be the end of the world. But when I look at the Biden situation and I see that first of all he's not the guy in control, that's obvious. So you don't know who's in control which is pretty scary. Wouldn't you like to know who the president is? We have a situation where you won't actually know who's in control if he did get selected. But he's got some ideas that could actually destroy the whole civilization. Let me give you an example. I'd like to see somebody who's in favor of relaxing borders describe what it looks like in their mind. Like what does the world look like in a year or two years or whatever if they get exactly what they want? What happens? How does it look?
Now if you say if the president says you know I want to close borders he can draw a picture of what that looks like pretty well. There's still some immigration but you know we're trying to fit the employees to the jobs without burdening employment in this country. You kind of know what that looks like, right? It looks a lot like now but with better border control, maybe a little less crime coming in. But who knows if you'd even notice. But what does it look like if you don't have border control and you've got more sanctuary cities that Biden is suggesting? Is there any world in which that would not attract the cartels for example? Is there any world in which the United States would not eventually be run by Mexican cartels for all practical purposes? I can't imagine any way that wouldn't happen if we have enough people coming across the border. So it's a question of numbers. So I'd like to see people ask that question of what that looks like.
It's the same question with the Green New Deal which seems to be sort of pushed into the back burner for the moment. But as I was talking with Michael Shellenberger, what do people think it looks like for countries if the Green New Deal happens? Like fast forward that. What happens with your solar panels and your windmills in some African country that's trying to develop and that just doesn't work? You know where are they in 20 years? They're still where they were, right? They haven't gone anywhere.
All right. So Biden's new campaign slogan, the slogan is Build Back Better. Build Back Better. Biden says Build Back Better. What do you think of that? Build Back Better. On one hand it's sort of catchy because you are encouraged to repeat it in your head. Build Back Better. It's got a lot of B's in it. Build Back Better. It's not bad but I don't find it easy to remember. Build Back Better. I feel as if there will be a point where he won't remember his own slogan. Whereas Make America Great Again, you try to hear that once and you'll remember it forever, right?
So let me give you a writing tip. Listen to the percussion of these two things. Make America Great Again. Just listen to the percussion. Imagine that it was an instrument. Make America Great Again. Now listen to Build Back Better. One of them is more musical, right? If you had to listen to something forever, you know only one slogan and it just had to play forever, would you rather hear Build Back Better, Build Back Better? Would you rather hear Make America Great Again? There's a big difference. So I would say the Build Back Better was probably designed by a political operative and not an expert on persuasion. So that you know if this had been designed by let's say a Cialdini or somebody with that kind of level of knowledge of persuasion it would look like this. This is sort of a tell for a political slogan as opposed to President Trump who is the brander himself. And so he's got a whole different level of goodness in his slogan because he knows how to do that.
All right. I didn't hear anything about nuclear energy from Biden so that would be interesting to hear him answer to that. And I guess Biden says he's taking it or at least as reported he took a firm tone towards China and he wants aggressive trade enforcement actions. That sort of sounds like nothing, doesn't it? It's kind of come down to this. It seems that the Republicans are, and this is just a relative thing, right, relatively open to working with Russia but tough on China. The Biden proposition seems to be not open to working with Russia but very friendly to China. So it's almost as if our election has become do you pick China or Russia? Yeah you could ignore the candidates. You can ignore the candidates and say which world do you want to live in? The one where we're nice to China and China abuses us as they have or the one in which we're nice to Russia and maybe they try to abuse us the way they have. So you've got two choices there that don't feel great.
And he wants to put a bunch of money into building and investing in Buy American etc. Pretty ordinary stuff.
All right. At this point it seems that the Biden campaign is getting more complicated. There's some more meat on the bones but it also should doom Biden because one advantage that Biden has had, it's a pretty big advantage, is that until he said what his own policies are with some detail as is coming out now, until that happened he didn't have to talk about anything complicated. Let me ask you this. So part of his campaign is putting money into 5G, artificial intelligence, electric vehicles and 5G into research, research mostly I guess. Now if Biden were to take a question on 5G how would that go, right? If Biden were to take a question on nuclear energy and his plan for that or the climate how would that go? Just consider that now Biden has a whole new bunch of new information he has to speak to if anybody ever gets to ask a question. So his complexity is just going through the roof while his capability continues to plunge as we see. So I think he's getting into increasingly dangerous territory and we'll see if that works out for him.
Now the president said recently that he had taken a cognitive test and everybody was surprised he did so well. What's up with that? But what was missing in the story is the timing of it. I think the president was talking about when he took the test a while ago but the way it was reported, because he didn't talk about the timing of when it happened, they reported it as if it happened recently. I don't know if that did happen recently. I don't know if it did.
So when he's fact-checking of that Build Back Better, somebody says yeah, Basement Biden is going to Build Back Better. Now the word back is not exactly a good word to have in your slogan because back literally suggests going backwards. So I don't think anybody likes it back. But what's interesting, think of this loaded slogan Build Back Better. Does your brain see the word black instead of back? Build black. So you're in the middle of this Black Lives Matter protests so your brain has been primed for Black Lives Matter or black black black black black black. So you're primed for that. Now there you hear the slogan Build Back Better. That back ends up in your brain turning into black. I don't know if that's, I don't know if that works in their favor or against them actually. I'm just pointing it out that your brain will make that translation. So if it was intentional I don't know, kind of clever if they've somehow calculated that that will be a plausible. But here's something that it feels to me is true. I believe that Biden is very clearly saying that his future lies with the Hispanic community. It feels like the Democrats have chosen the Hispanic community as being a higher priority to them politically than the black community. Do you know why that is? Because they already have the black vote. They don't have to do anything for the black community. Nothing. In fact Biden didn't even suggest anything for the black community. I don't, maybe he did. I don't remember seeing it. You probably did. I just don't remember seeing it. So it wasn't featured obviously.
So you see President Trump talking about black employment when it was a few months ago when it was good. And you see him doing the opportunity zones and the jail, the prison reform, etc. And so you see that Trump is literally doing things for the black community. Then you see Kanye saying that he would run as a Republican if he ran. Now if he doesn't run he still sort of moves votes a little bit just because his influence moves things. So it started to look like, and I said this I don't know five years ago, I think I've said this the first time, that the black community is the most natural ally with Republicans. Because Republicans have a, let's say a system and a way of thinking of things that the black community would just fold into easily. Here's what I mean. The black community is religious. The conservative community also religious. So they start with that same religious base. There are a lot more conservative black citizens than you hear about. So you got that going for you. But more importantly it looks like the Democrat plan is to give citizenship to, Biden says, 11 million people in this country. Now I'm not giving you my opinion whether this is good or bad. I'm not sure I even have complete opinions on the whole immigration stuff. I'm just describing it. It seems that the Democrats have decided that their primary focus is going to be the Hispanic community.
If you were a Democrat and you were black how would you feel about being demoted in your own party? Because it's going to feel like that. It feels like yeah the black community problems are important but we're going to bring in 11 million Hispanic voters. Are those 11 million Hispanic voters going to vote for more things for black people or maybe more things for themselves? For example what the president was signing on his executive order it was for the Hispanic community. If you add 11 million more Hispanic voters are you likely to get more good things for the black public or more good things for the Hispanic public? Kind of obvious, right? So there seems to be a power shift on the Democrat side toward the Hispanic power base. The black Democrats are a little bit abandoned. And the Republicans are saying you know we got a lot in common. We're pretty proud of bringing down the employment rate. And by the way Republicans think you should have good schools. How about that? Republicans are for school choice. Biden wants to get rid of that. Biden wants to get rid of school choice.
Let me tell you two things that Black Lives Matter are not in favor of. You ready? When I say Black Lives Matter I don't mean the few organizers. I mean the people who would consider themselves members who are also black. Here are a few things they're not super enthusiastic about and you can find this out yourself. Just talk to anybody in Black Lives Matter and ask who is also black. Don't talk to a white person who is supporting Black Lives Matter. Talk to a black citizen who is in Black Lives Matter and privately ask these two questions. What do you think of unrestricted immigration? What will the Black Lives Matter person who is just a member of Black Lives Matter say about unrestricted immigration? Don't love it. Not big fans, right? They may not come out against it but they're not big fans because it sort of works against their interests. It creates more competition. What about charter schools and just school choice? What do you think they'd say about that? They don't like it. Because if you don't fix schools you're basically doomed. There's nothing else. There's nothing you can do after that that makes a big difference. You gotta fix schools. That's where all the big improvements could be. And the Democrats want to reduce those options.
So I feel like there's sort of a trend building where the Republicans just have a better package. We'll see. We shall see. I'm going to predict that President Trump will get mo
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re of the black vote than the experts assume. And I think it's going to because those two issues are pretty big ones. And I don't think that the black community will completely trust their own team when they see a different power base emerging. So that's what I got for you today and I will talk to you tomorrow.
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