But actually you may have seen that Ann Coulter has made news again. Remember that she has been the "President Trump, build that fence." I'm sorry, build that wall, build the wall, build the wall. If you don't build the wall you're worth nothing. Build that wall. So she has been the most wall-centric pundit who actually has influence in the political process, certainly the number one wall proponent.

And she just did an interview with Joel Pollak of Breitbart radio and she was asked the question, would she be okay with a fence? And as far as I know nobody asked that question before. And surprisingly she said that she would be okay with a situation like Israel has now.

When I say that, most of you say but wait a minute, Israel has a wall. Turns out that's not the truth. Israel has some wall and that's mostly what you see pictures of, but they have a long border and I think most of it is a fence-like structure with different mechanisms for defending as well, digital and God knows what else.

So Ann Coulter said, and I think it's the first time she said it publicly but correct me if I'm wrong, she said that she would be okay with something like what Israel has, which is a wall where it makes sense to have a wall but for the larger stretches more of a fence-like barrier structure. Which is another way of saying leave it up to the engineers.

Now Ann Coulter did not use the word "engineers" as far as I know. I didn't hear the whole interview. But it's the same concept, right? If you're okay with what Israel did, it's a lot like saying you're okay with letting engineers and experts decide where's the wall, where's the fence, where's the no fence, where the drones. That's all anybody is asking. Nobody's really asking for something that's not that. Everybody's asking to not be the people who design the border. You and I are not saying hey, I'm a citizen, let me design your border. It should be all wall or all fence. Nobody's saying that.

Everybody in the conversation agrees with this concept that the people who know the most, engineers, border control people who are close to it and studying it, really looking at the specifications, really looking at what's worked before in other places, the people who are really the decision makers, the experts, they're the ones who need to decide where you put what. Everyone agrees with that but we're acting like we don't.

You probably saw that Greg Gutfeld also mentioned the word "fence" on The Five. And I think that you're seeing the public opinion start to converge. It felt like there were two opinions but there never were. It was a complete illusion. It looked like somebody was saying hey wall wall wall and somebody else was saying no wall no wall no wall. But nothing like that was ever happening. It was a complete illusion caused by the way the news is reported, the way people talk in public. The shorthand way that people talk. It has always been let's do what makes the most sense once the engineers have dug in and told us what makes sense.

So it was always gonna be a little bit of wall and probably a lot of fence. And that's where we're heading now apparently.

Lindsey Graham has said that President Trump has no chance of reelection, essentially paraphrasing, no chance of reelection if he doesn't stay strong and get some wall funding. I think that's probably true. I would say that's probably true. And I think that's also the reason that we can predict the outcome because the president can actually keep the government closed forever. He can just ride it out.

Would you want to be in a stone throwing contest with the best stone thrower in the world? If being a badass is the contest in terms of who can keep the government closed the longest, Trump's got to be the bigger badass. You don't want to get into a badassery contest with the biggest badass. So I don't see any chance that he's gonna fold on this.

And Rand Paul was the funniest person on this. And by the way, Rand Paul, I don't know what's up with him lately but he's getting funnier and he's just more interesting lately. So I'm appreciating that from a consumer standpoint. But Rand Paul said he wondered if the public would ever notice that the government was shut down, which is an excellent libertarian kind of a point of view.

Now personally I have not noticed it yet. Can you tell me in the comments, have any of you had a personal experience that was impacted by the government shutdown yet? I know it's early. Maybe it's too early to say. Have any of you had any bad experience with the government shutdown? I literally don't even know what's at stake other than the garbage in the parks is not being cleaned up. Is that it? There's some trash at government parks that will get cleaned up later.

So under that situation I think the president can stay as long as he wants with a closed government.