right thing to do. He needs to brand them Nazis full out and just say you're Nazi hoaxers. The FBI can't be trusted. It needs to be gutted, the leadership, not the good people who work there. And he should just go for it. Just go for it. And I think he could win. I think he could win. What do you think?

Because his weakest point is hey blah blah blah you're racist. Now let's say he took my advice, which I don't think will happen, but suppose he took my advice on how to frame the border. Hey, we're never going to agree on this border stuff. Let's get a bunch of economists to tell us how many people to let in and when and what types. And let's have it like the OMB, you know, some quasi-independent organization that can just tell you if it makes sense economically. And whatever it makes sense economically to the people who are already here, we'll open the door a little bit. And when it doesn't make sense, should that ever happen, we'll close the door a little bit. But we're in a new world.

Imagine Trump saying this to conservatives. You know, this isn't the world of five years ago. We might actually have a population problem in the other direction. We might have too few people. Then imagine, and again he's not going to do this, but imagine he could, you know, the people coming through there, we do have to worry about the criminal element. But let's not forget that the people coming here tend to have conservative ideology. Yeah, their family, religion, work. Family, religion, work. You can let a few family-religion-work people into the country without it falling apart. You can let a lot of them in. I just don't know what the right number is. Is it five million a year? I don't know. It seems like a lot, doesn't it? It seems like a lot. But I don't know. That might actually be the right number. It might be low. I'm not sure if there's any way to know. That's why you need an independent group to just help us get a feel for the economics of this stuff.

So Trump could, because the situation is a little different than it used to be, he could totally sell it as something that should be decided by economics and that the politicians should maybe pull back a little bit so you're not just blaming each other being racist. You could be Hispanic vote. You could. Do you know how if there's one thing, if there's one common stereotype that I hate to do stereotypes but this one seems to hold up, the Hispanic community, especially first generation and second generation, they don't like a lot of... there's sort of a no to the culture. Do you know what I mean? They're not worried about your wokeness so much. It's just not on their minds. You don't think Trump could win a group like that? All they'd have to do is offer him something. Now citizenship would be probably too much for his base. But yeah.

And I also think that he could find some way to have like a, I don't want to say second-rate citizenship for people who are not yet legal, but there probably is something like that that his base would live with as long as the economic argument was made. If you could make the argument we could keep the country safe enough and it's good for the economy, I think his base accepts it. And it also accepts that it brings in people who are more like them than the people who are already here on average. Not the second-rate pay, no, not the secondary pay of course. But you could have somebody who has most of the rights of citizenship but may be short of voting. If you have somebody, if you knew somebody was here illegally but also had a job, they had a job. And how about couldn't own firearms? How about that? So suppose there were some caravans. He said yeah they could totally live here but they can't vote. They can get a driver's license and do all the work-related things but they can't vote and they can't own a firearm. I'm just picking two random things. Could you live with that if somebody made the argument that it's in your economic interest to allow more in but be a little more careful about the vetting? Could he live with that?

Now what's the argument against? Let's just take this as a hypothetical because you need to teach me what there's something I'm missing. There's something in my mental model that's missing. Is it just racism? No. I'm saying if the people who are already here legally, you know we have a long tradition of pardons and paroles and reconstituting people who are in prisons and retraining them. We have a long history of uncriminalizing criminals. That wouldn't be new. So that's not your objection, right? You wouldn't object to the general concept. There's somebody who's minding their own business but broke a technical law but they're adding to the country. You wouldn't allow them to have maybe a second-class citizenship which would permanently keep them in not full citizenship but they're adding to the country and they want to be here and their kids would be full citizens and blah blah blah. No. Somebody says you can't have second-class citizens. Yes you can. What are children? Children are second-class citizens. What are illegal immigrants? They're not citizens but basically we always have classes. What are billionaires? Are you the same class as a billionaire? Who would? That's not an argument. You can have all kinds of classes of people in a democracy. Join the military. Yeah, maybe they can join the military in certain circumstances.

All right, so I need you to educate me. If you could handle the economics and you could check them out better so that you're reducing the criminal element, if you could know that they're paying taxes, right? If you knew they were paying taxes and adding to the system and independent economists said yeah we could let in a few more and let's say Trump agreed to it, tell me the problem with that. It's all hypothetical, right? I'm not saying that's the situation, right? But if they were let in legally, what would be your problem? Yeah, they pay for their own health care, right? They would just be like us with a few fewer rights. Maybe their kids vote blue. I think you should check that assumption. Do you know why the kids vote blue? Because reds never tried to incorporate them. The moment red says you know what, we like workers, we like families, we like religion