favor of reparations? Not the way it's being described now where it's just a cash payment but some kind of a grand agreement among black Americans and everybody else to do something that would maybe mostly help black Americans but it would help everybody poor. And then you've got something everybody can say all right I see how this mostly affects black Americans but that's because they were in the biggest hole so that's fine. As long as we're talking about income it's okay if it's racist because it would be racist wouldn't it if you did something that helped all poor people but the nature of it is that Black Americans were in a deeper hole so it would help them more than it would help other people. That would be racist by definition. Now that would be positive racism in my opinion. Would anybody disagree that would be a policy which affects races disproportionately? You're doing it. I'm going to do this policy. It will affect the races disproportionately but it's a good thing to do.

Are there other cases where there are things that are purely racist but they're a good thing to do? Can you think of any other examples? Something that you would say well you know technically that's racist but it's a pretty good thing to do. All right here's one. Affirmative action historically. So my take on affirmative action is that while it was very bad for my personal career — I lost two careers because I was white and male in my corporate days — even then I was not opposed to affirmative action. I hated how it affected me but I was not opposed to it because I couldn't figure out an alternative. You see the problem when things are really unequal. The tool to fix it is a sledgehammer and the sledgehammer breaks stuff more than you want to break but it's the only tool you have. What else are you going to do? But as things get a little closer to equal but before they're completely equal the right time is to reassess it because you're going to start to create more ill will than you're benefiting by correcting some historical imbalances.

So I think that affirmative action was racist by design, by intention. And would anybody disagree with that? Is there anybody who thinks that affirmative action is not racist by intention, by design? In fact if it were not racist it wouldn't work. The entire point of it is to be racial preference. That's the entire point of it, right? So I would contend that there are racist things which are the ones you want because it's how you defeat racism let's say. The tax code. Let's say the tax code was super favoring one group over another which is always the case even if you don't want it to. It just feels like no matter how you create anything it always has a disproportionate impact on somebody. So suppose you correct a disproportionate problem with some group. How can you correct that without shifting resources back and forth or favor