different view of Putin, that's a mistake. That's a mistake. You should have exactly the same view of Putin before the interview as after. You know, maybe give or take whether you thought he was showing signs of age, but that's different.

All right. I love the fact that Tucker put him on the spot on camera to ask him why you wouldn't free the journalist. That was both ballsy and exactly the right thing to do because that guy can't be forgotten. But you also have to take into account our own government lies to us routinely and we wouldn't know if he was a spy or not. You wouldn't know. Do you think that guy's not a spy because your government told you? Really? Yeah, our government said he's not a spy so oh he's not a spy. Now by the way I'm not saying he is. That would be messed up. I don't know. I'm saying there's no way to know. And if you believe Putin you're stupid and if you believe the US version you're stupid. One of those is right or more right than the other but you have no way of knowing. No way of knowing. Absolutely no way of knowing. So I just look at that as like, okay, somebody said this, somebody said that. It's bad for this guy. I wish he'd be released but I think he's going to be part of some negotiations it looks like.

So I would say that Tucker did a great job of news, but if you're treating it like news you probably shouldn't. You should treat it more like entertainment. Entertainment-wise I liked it. But my take is that whole history lesson was a little unhinged and he didn't read the room and it showed he's a little out of touch. And his thought that somebody needs to talk to him, you know, he's offered too many peace plans already so somebody's going to have to come to him, that just seems small, you know. So I don't think Putin came off well. I thought Tucker did and he's going to get a ton of pushback on this.

All right. So was there anything else to say about that? It was entertaining. I don't think it made much news. Oh let me, one other thing. I saw some numbers about how many people watched it. And so all right, here's some numbers. So just for comparison so you see how well Tucker is doing. Fox News prime time viewers average about 2 million viewers. When Tucker was on Fox his show brought in over 3 million. So even so Tucker was the big traffic guy on Fox at the moment. MSNBC averages 1.2 million. CNN averages under 600,000 for any moment they're watching. And then this tweet I was looking at said that Tucker already had 93 million views. Now is that a good comparison? 93 million views versus you know 2 or 3 million for the, did we do the math right? No, no. Everything's wrong with that math. Everything's wrong with it. Number one, I turned that on and then turned it off five times yesterday because I would watch a little bit, I get interrupted, I go back to it. How many views do I have? Is that one view or am I five views? Do you know? I don't know. So if you don't know that you could be off by a factor of three or five. Number two, when you say that CNN has 600,000 viewers that means for one moment. But that 600,000 isn't the same 600,000 watching it all day. The next hour will be a new 600,000 mostly, etc. So you should look at a full day or two of CNN to compare to a full day or two of people watching this live stream. Am I right? Next, the business model of Fox and MSNBC and CNN is not about the time that you spend online. My view of these networks is that the live show on the news is really just a clip show. All they're doing is creating content that then gets pushed around social media and gets pushed to their websites and it makes them credible enough that cable needs to include them in their network so they get paid by the cable companies. They don't really get paid by the advertising. Did you ever wonder why the advertising on Fox News was so lame? It's like, hey I'm selling a pocket knife. You're like really? That's like a major advertiser? How about MyPillow? It's because the advertising is not where they make their money. They make their money by saying to the cable operators you can't have our show unless you pay us a bunch of money. So the money comes from the cable operators and the carriers, the dishes and stuff like that. So if you were to include CNN's full reach which includes their entire show all day, all the clips that go on social media and get passed around and then who goes to their website, and then you take maybe the 93 million is really one third of that because people just signing in and signing out, those numbers are a lot closer than you think. Now I still think it's true that Tucker's numbers are much bigger but it's not that much bigger. It's not 100 times bigger. It's more like it might be double, could be double, could be triple. But don't trust these numbers. So the only thing here is basically all numbers.

All right. Here's the best. Let's talk about the report from the special prosecutor. Here's his name. I think it's funny that Biden was being investigated by a pronoun. The guy's last name is Hur. But you got investigated by a pronoun. And here's the summary of it. So the summary is he absolutely did with willfulness. He willingly and knowingly took confidential materials that he wasn't supposed to take. So now that's what you get prosecuted for, right? He knew he was doing it and he knew that it was confidential and he wasn't supposed to do it. So why aren't they prosecuting him? Well it appears that he did not remember a lot of things such as when his son Beau died. And he was an elderly man with a poor memory. He has significant limitations and a jury would be sympathetic. And that he didn't possess the mental state of willfulness necessary to prosecute. Wait, if he didn't have the mental state of willfulness that means he's just not capable. He's not competent.

Now what did MSNBC say about this news? That's the worst news that they could ever have. Well you have to watch MSNBC today. You're missing a good show because they're trying to find a way to downplay the fact that the special prosecutor said he's not going to prosecute, not entirely because of but largely because of the person he wants to prosecute isn't mentally capable of standing in trial and looking like somebody who would know he committed a crime. So here's what MSNBC is saying. Well there's a little editorializing in that, isn't there? Editorializing. So they want you to think that Hur should have only been talking about the law and it was inappropriate for him to speculate on the mental state of Joe Biden. What, he's no medical doctor. And how weird is it that you would even consider what the defense would be when putting together your decision to prosecute? To which I say how dumb do you think the MSNBC viewers are? The only decision you make when you're going to prosecute is what the defense would look like. That's not the thing you forget. It's the main thing. The main thing is what's the defense? Oh he has an alibi on video with 100 people. Oh he's mentally incapable. Oh well he wouldn't get convicted. It's the main thing you think about is what the defense would look like. And they're selling it to their viewers as an irrelevant part of the decision and their viewers are so dumb they're buying that. I assume some of them.

And then one of them is saying that it's standard legal advice to tell your client to say you don't remember something when you're being questioned. Now is that true? Is it standard advice? Yes it is standard advice if you're not totally sure or it's not going to help you in some way. See I don't know, I don't remember. And you see that all the people who do have all their faculties do that, right? Now given that that's normal and anybody who's been in that business knows it's sort of normal for the person you're talking to to say well I don't remember that, I don't remember that. But don't you think Hur and his team are completely aware of that? Don't you think they know the difference between somebody saying you know I don't remember and somebody saying they don't remember when their son died or when they were vice president? Yeah, you don't think he could tell the difference between just somebody using legal advice and somebody who doesn't know what room he's in? Yeah I think you can tell the difference.

Lawrence O'Donnell said that the prosecutor doesn't understand the human mind and that's why he failed to understand that under a pressure situation such as the pres