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had a lot of contact with John Brennan because they were in the CIA at the same time. And he describes John Brennan as a ruthless, quote, very bad guy. He said, quote, "John was just torture, torture, torture. We got to torture these guys," talking about terrorists and stuff. "We got to do this. We got to do that. We need to start killing more people. We need to get out there and start shooting."…
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Why did it take us years to get to this point? Well, apparently the way our government works and the justice system is that it takes five years before somebody admits that something was wrong and action is taken and by then you're just tired of the story and it just doesn't have the impact it would if they had started from the beginning. So that's happening.
So I guess we'll find out if our system is completely rigged because doesn't it seem to you that no matter what kind of evidence they have against Brennan that he's not going to go to jail? Don't you have that feeling that it really wouldn't make any difference how good the case was, how illegal it was? The statute of limitations hasn't run out yet for some stuff, I suppose. But do any of you believe that the justice system would lock him up? It seems unbelievably... do you believe he might get locked up? And Comey, what do you think? I think no.
I believe that at that level they're just always protected and that somebody's getting blackmailed or bribed or something. Yeah, to me it seems impossible that Brennan will go to jail no matter what he did and no matter what the evidence is. I just don't think we live in a country that can bring that kind of justice to this kind of situation. We'll see. That's my prediction. My prediction is that you might see evidence that looks really, really damning followed by several years going by and he spent some money on lawyers but he's still free. We'll find out.
Well, Joe Biden's personal doctor from when he was in office agreed to go talk to Comer's committee, but he didn't answer questions. Instead, he took the fifth. Why would the personal doctor have to take the fifth? Because it wasn't like he was being asked HIPAA questions that were private medical things. It looked like he was quite aware that if he answered honestly, there would be some liability there for somebody, either his boss Biden or him or the family.
So let's add Biden's doctor to the list of things that are probably exactly what they look like. It's probably exactly what you think, that he was in on it. He knew that Biden was degraded. He decided for whatever reason that he wasn't going to make a big deal of it and he just went with it. But how much of that is because people like John Brennan told the public that Trump was Hitler and so that the only thing that mattered was that Trump didn't get back in office? Probably everybody was infected by the same problem which may have started from Brennan.
Well, speaking of justice, do you remember Douglas Mackey? So he was the fellow who went by the online name Ricky Vaughn and he was convicted in 2023 because he said on a meme that said that the voting for Democrats was the day after the election. Now it was a joke and it was a meme, but he was convicted for breaking a law which would be trying to interfere with an election. It was a meme, a joke.
But here's the good news. The Second Circuit Court of Appeals just threw out his conviction. Just threw it out. And the reason they gave for throwing out the conviction, there was no evidence that he did it for any reason other than it was funny. There was no evidence that it was a crime because you would have to intend it. You would have to intend that it misleads people. And there was no evidence apparently during the trial that he got convicted for. There was no evidence that he ever intended it as anything but a meme or a joke. So he's a free man. Good for him.
Yeah. And it reminds us of just how dangerous it was to just be a Trump supporter during that period because people were just being targeted for destruction. Wouldn't you say? How many of you think that my cancellation is because of what I said versus I was just targeted as being a Trump supporter and they used whatever they could use? Well, I don't know. But I will tell you that zero Republicans canceled me. None. Zero. Zero black Republicans. Zero. Not a single Republican said, "I won't talk to you or I won't book you on a podcast or I won't buy your stuff." None.
Do you think that Republicans somehow are such bad people that they can't tell what horrible things I thought or said? No. Actually, they looked at what I actually thought and said and didn't see a problem because nobody disagreed with what I said. Nobody left or right. They just used it as an excuse to cancel me.
So Douglas Mackey and a lot of us who got all kinds of public attacks, sometimes physically, sometimes people got swatted, if you look at the abuse that Republicans or Trump supporters took during the last 10 years, we had careers destroyed, reputations destroyed, the January 6 people put in jail. If you wore a MAGA hat outside, you got beaten up. And the January 6 thing was the ultimate, that they just massively started jailing the most ardent supporters of the president without ever asking them why they were there to protest in the first place.
Was it because they knew that Trump lost and they wanted him to be president anyway? No. Probably not one person had that thought. Did we ever see in the news what they were thinking? Which would be easy to determine. You could just bring a few of them into a room and say, "What were you thinking?" And they would say, "Well, it looked to us like the election was irregular and we wanted it not to be certified until somebody in charge looked at it and determined that it was a good election." Nobody's ever reported that. They've never reported the truth about that story.
And then of course there was the whole white supremacy thing and DEI so that people like me could be targeted for being what? Just white and being alive. And now the ICE officers are being attacked violently. So it's really easy. I feel like I fell into a trap that because these things happen one at a time and sometimes it doesn't affect me personally and then a few weeks go by and there's a different situation and you don't like any of them but you don't realize that collectively they create a story that I don't know how historians are going to deal with it in the future because the truth is that half of the country got weaponized against the other half. And it was a dark, dark time.
And we're not necessarily out of it because we're having this little golden era because Trump's in office. I don't know what happens when he leaves. I don't know what happens unless there's another strong Republican there. Do we just go back to this reign of terror where just waking up and being a Republican makes it dangerous to be an American? Is that what's going to happen? I don't know.
But apparently I saw Joshua Steinman made an observation that the deportations may have made the traffic in LA really manageable. Now I guess it's just a fact that there are mass deportations in effect in LA. And also the traffic is the lightest it's been in anybody's recent memory. Are those related or is it just because this is the peak vacation period of the year? Is it just maybe people are on vacation? I don't know. Might be a little of both.
I saw a viral clip from Sean Ryan's podcast. He was talking to journalist Nick Bryant who believes that the reason the Epstein case is being covered up is because it would destroy the entire operational system of the government if they revealed it because the operational system of the government is that it's run by blackmail. How many of you buy into that narrative that the reason that we can't know about the Epstein truth is that we would learn that the entire government is a blackmail operation and maybe always has been and maybe all of them are?
Yeah, if you remember the stories from J. Edgar Hoover, and correct me if I'm wrong, I'm no historian, but don't we know for sure that J. Edgar Hoover was controlling the government with blackmail? We know that as a fact, right? What exactly changed since J. Edgar Hoover's time? Anything? Did any laws make that go away? Is there a new system in place to prevent people from getting blackmailed? I don't believe so. So if it worked for J. Edgar Hoover, why would you ever imagine that people stop doing it? It's probably the most effective thing that happens in our government.
But I'm not willing to say that's the only reason that you're not seeing the Epstein stuff. I believe that one of the things that Trump said, which rings true, is there might be a lot of names associated with Epstein, and Trump would be one of those names that are not implicated in any crimes. But as soon as you made that public, then every single person he talked to who returned a phone call would look like a horrible sex criminal. So you would destroy maybe a hundred people's lives who didn't deserve it because they would have no criminal activities on their resume. But they had some contact with Epstein maybe before they knew what he was up to.
So would that be a good enough reason to not release the files? I hate to say it, but it would be because that would very much be a case of you don't throw away a hundred people's lives and their families and everything else. You don't throw away a hundred people's lives because the public has a right to see some files. I wouldn't go that far.
Suppose that the Trump administration is very serious about protecting the country and protecting the Republican view of how things should be. And they realize that if they release the Epstein files, it could destroy the entire government, maybe bring down every government, not just the current one, but maybe all the ones in the past. If we found out what was really going on, what would be the right play for Trump?
Now this is just speculation, hypothetical, but suppose that revealing the full story about Epstein would crash the United States as a government. Like we would just lose everything. Is that possible? It's totally possible. It's totally possible that if we found out we were a blackmail operation and always were, it's totally possible it would crash the whole country.
What about if Trump was trying to protect some other country, let's say France or the UK or Israel or some other ally? Would it be a good enough reason to not tell the citizens of the US what the truth is if it would destroy an ally? I mean just absolutely devastate another country. Would that be a good enough reason to keep it a secret?
Here's my take. If you trust Trump, you have to also trust him to lie to you when it's in your best interest. I know it's uncomfortable, but how many of you know that there's something called the CIA? Have you heard of it? If you know that there's a CIA and you have not been railing to completely eliminate them from our system, then you've already b
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ought into the idea that your government can lie to you. So don't act like you're all above it. We're not above it. I wake up knowing that my country has a CIA and that their job is to not tell the truth. I mean it's built into the job and I don't expect them to tell me the truth, but I do expect them to keep me safe. So they're not going to be perfect and there'll be some corruption that gets in…
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