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Back to episode — Episode 2899 CWSA 07/16/25

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you sort of encouraged not to tell people? Isn't it a better play if you don't mention it? And if somebody asks, aren't you supposed to say, nah, not me. And then there's also that gray area, which is, well, you don't have to be on the payroll of an intelligence agency. You could just be in favor of what they're doing. Maybe lend them a hand now and then. Maybe they do you a favor later. Maybe yo…

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rt your lie with these words. Trump literally started with "I would say" that these files were made up by Comey and the others. I would say if you start your explanation with "I would say" you're basically saying I'm making this up.

Do you remember when OJ wrote his book "If I Did It"? If I Did It. What if you see "If I Did It" on OJ's book, you say to yourself, he's telling us he did it. If your president says "I would say that these files were made up," that doesn't mean he believes that. If he believed it, he would say, well, you know, the files were made up by Democrats, so you can't trust them. He wouldn't say, "I would say it." Well, I would say it. I would. No, that's bad lying. Yeah, never do that.

And then he said that he was asked about releasing more of the Epstein stuff and he said yes and that any credible Epstein information should be released. Why do you have to add the credible part? Well, I mean credible is sort of assumed in all information, right? That you wouldn't present it unless it was credible. But he sort of drops that word in there like it gives you a little out. It's like, well, there is more information, but it wasn't credible, so we didn't release it.

Now if he had started with that, that might have been an easier sale if he'd said, you know what? We looked at everything and the only things you don't know about that matter look to be low credibility. So we think it would just make things worse if we release it because you remember what happened when the Steele dossier got out? That was low credibility. You know, wouldn't the country have been better off if nobody had ever seen the Steele dossier? Yeah, of course. So we don't want to make the same mistake as the Steele dossier. So since it's low credibility according to our experts, you know, I know we told you we would give you everything we had, but that doesn't mean the low credibility stuff, right? That's not going to help you. So probably that would have been a better way to start. I don't know if it would have made other people happy, but it would have sounded at least like, oh, that's a real reason.

The other thing that I would have bought completely is if instead of saying that the files were made up, I would have said, we really thought there was going to be some stuff there, but if it was ever there, it was already removed. So yes, you have every right to suspect that there's more to this Epstein situation. We suspect it too. But when we look at the files, we have to conclude that either there isn't anything there or that whatever was there was removed. Now I would have believed that if they said we were sure there was going to be some stuff there, but when we dug down, there was nothing credible or there was nothing there at all because it looks like it might have been removed and we don't know how or when. I would have bought that. That to me sounds like exactly the sort of thing that would happen in the real world.

What are other people saying? Well, Dick Durbin was on CNN and he says that Republicans must be hiding something because they're not as forthcoming as they could be with the Epstein files. Now that's a really good political attack and it looks like a little bit like what even Republicans think is true, which makes it a good political attack. I don't know if there's any truth to it, but it's a good political attack.

Speaker Mike Johnson says he supports the idea of Ghislaine Maxwell testifying to Congress. So I guess that's an option that got floated. He was talking to Benny Johnson. So Benny Johnson got an exclusive on that. And Mike Johnson said, I'm for transparency. We should put everything out there and let the people decide blah blah blah blah. So that's always the right answer, you know, to

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say you're for transparency. Thomas Massie introduced a discharge petition to compel the Department of Justice to release all relevant Epstein documents. So that's happening. I don't know if that's going to get any purchase, but at least there's some motion to release everything. Here's what I would like to see. And ask yourself why you haven't seen this yet. I would like to see all the guards,…

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