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to do it and when it's important and when it's not, well, that's where the free speech question gets in there. Anyway, so Ted Cruz is going hard at the free speech being violated. Ben Shapiro, I believe did the same. Free speech being violated. Unacceptable. I think Kat Timpf did a pro-free speech. I don't recall, but I'm sure that Dave Smith probably did. Can you confirm that to me? Did Dave Smi…

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just said, is that a good point? No, it's not a good point. I started the whole thing by saying things could have two reasons. It doesn't have to be one reason. And the fact that it's also a good business thing does not excuse the free speech element of it. And we should be brushing back the free speech risk wherever we can.

So let me say it a different way. I don't like to be on the other side of a constitutional question from Ted Cruz. Do you all know Ted Cruz's background? He's literally one of the best constitutional lawyers before he became a senator. He was famous for it. If Ted Cruz tells me something's a violation of free speech, am I going to say, oh, I don't know, Ted. I feel like you haven't analyzed this correctly. Let me use all my experience as a cartoonist to tell you where you got that wrong about the Constitution of the United States. I'm not going to do that. No. If Ted Cruz tells me something is true about the Constitution, I'm just going to change my mind to whatever he said.

What about Ben Shapiro? Do you think Ben Shapiro doesn't understand the issue? No. Of course he does. Of course he understands the issue better than me. Better than you? Probably. Unless you're Ted Cruz. If Ben Shapiro is on the same side as Ted Cruz on a constitutional question, you feel comfortable being on the other side? Have you not been paying attention at all for the last decade? No. If Ted Cruz an

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d Ben Shapiro are solidly on the same side of a constitutional question, give up. Just give up. Just adopt their point of view because they're not going to be wrong if it's both of them and they're sure and it's not that complicated. They are right. They are right. Don't listen to me. I happen to agree with them. But don't take my side. I'm no constitutional scholar. I have no track record of bein…

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