s I love about your operation is that everything you do seems smart and not some weird political thing. So you're not concentrated on race. It just sort of works out that way, which is fine. So here's what I've been most impressed by. I assume the school does all the usual reading and writing stuff. And for what ages?

Right now we've taken our age groups down to ages six through nine. We were doing ages 11 to 17 in our first six years of the program. We changed the age groups because we've realized that many children are starting to lose themselves a lot sooner than ages 11 to 17. We have kids who are in third grade, second grade, smoking, talking about sex or whatever. And so most of those kids, they are just looking for somewhere where it's cool to do the right thing because when they're doing the right thing at school or anywhere else they get picked on or nobody wants to be your friend. So we've created a space where you get rewarded for doing the right thing. You get rewarded for reading. You get rewarded for learning your workshops. You get rewarded for getting good grades and things like that. So that's what we've created and now those children are taking it in and those children are more willing to stay the right way versus trying to get a child who's lost himself and then trying to fix it.

So there's a whole bunch that I observe you doing on your social media that is so good. I want to mention all of it. But you have an impressive what I call a talent stack. Meaning that your specific talents, even being able to do this so well, you know you've got the education, you've got the working with the kids but you also have a whole bunch of skills which you're teaching the kids from how to change the oil to how to replace a doorknob to dinner manners to all these things. So you've got this impressive set of skills that you have which I think is a role model situation for those kids. That's unbelievable. Like just the fact that they can spend time around you and observe somebody building a talent stack that all fits together.

Wow. Wow. By the way, the other thing that I love most, I've seen you mention this, is that you come from a non-victimization mindset.

Of course. Absolutely.

Say more.

I was taught, growing up with my granddads and uncles, we worked for everything. And a lot of the stuff that people think of these days as far as the liberal ideas and things, I was never taught that. I mean, we grew all of our own food in the backyard. We didn't grow up in the best neighborhood. But everybody in the neighborhood loved each other. I mean, we grew, everybody in the neighborhood grew food. We traded food. We had chickens in our yard. We had dogs. We had rabbits. I mean, we had a whole bunch of animals, but we grew everything we wanted to eat. If I got home from school, and this is like 2012, 2013 time, I got home from school and my mom asked us what we wanted to eat, we had to go outside and pick it. We even grew the seasonings. My dad taught me how to paint cars. My stepdad taught me how to build everything. We built our sheds in the backyards. We built our doghouses. We welded. We built our own grills. So when I was growing up, because our whole neighborhood was learning from each other, I thought that other kids just knew this stuff because that's how I grew up. And so as I became an adult and realized kids don't know how to fix a car or know how to work on a house or put in a window or paint something, it was tough. So that was the idea. I started the program out of my house. I was 19 years old. I started the program out of my house in my dining room and we went from there. And so we grew from just being in my dining room to having the facilities we have now to having staff to affecting so many kids. And I'm so glad that our donors have been so helpful to us because we don't take any government grants. As soon as you start getting the government involved, we can't teach about God and we can't teach about these things. And we're exclusively going to teach Christianity and we're going to make sure our children aren't victims. We believe in God and we believe in Jesus and that's what we want to make happen. So that's what we've been doing and our donors have made sure that this program has been able to flourish for the last seven years and I'm grateful to everyone who supports our program.

Yeah. The other thing I like about you is that you're aggressively non-political.

Yes.

You don't have to be super political. The other day somebody tweeted, well, they made a comment on my Instagram and said they donate 20 grand if I disassociate myself from MAGA and Donald Trump. And I'm just like, when have I ever mentioned that? But it just speaks to that side in general because for me to just be teaching boys responsibility and how to work for themselves and how to make honest money and take care of their families and stuff and you just assume that that's MAGA, that's insane. I've never said anything like that. Of course I was invited to the White House by President Trump back in February for the Black History Month event. And I was explaining to them about that event. I'm like, he was inviting people who are doing work in the Black community. And either you wanted him to recognize us or you didn't. I got a lot of flack for going to that event, but like I told them, if he wouldn't have recognized Black people for doing anything, he'd be so terrible. And then we're stupid for going. I mean, it's insane. But I don't listen to those