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top that so hard. I'm going to give you something to think about today that you'll probably never stop thinking about. Yeah, it's coming. Well, Trump is teasing some kind of Ukraine peace plan, and as you might imagine, it is light on final details. But it looks like what they're doing, if I just had to guess, is they might be floating some trial balloons to see what people could handle in terms…

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thout an airtight audit system. It would be just absurd. It would be the height of stupidity to give away billions of dollars and have no mechanism for checking where it goes, which is pretty close to the current system, I guess.

And then also, this is almost humorously ridiculous, that Ukraine also is pushing for quote full amnesty for actions committed during the war. So Ukraine wants to make sure that not only is there no way to audit the wartime aid, but that if anybody already stole some, they get full amnesty. Come on. Come on. Is that even real? Is that actually what you think the US is going to agree to?

How about I don't know. I'm just going to test this out. I'll run it up the flagpole. What if we let you steal all the money that we give for wartime aid and we don't check, and then on top of that we give you full amnesty for stealing our money? How about that? I don't know. I'd like to get a little more than that. You want more than that? That's a lot. We should be lining you against the wall. No, just kidding.

And here's my real curiosity I have about the whole Ukraine mess. On one hand, it seems just observably, obviously, objectively true that Trump is better than maybe anybody at getting deals, at bullying people into deals. Would you say that that's generally true? That even his critics would agree, especially after Gaza, even his critics would agree, all right, you know, he is good at it. We might not like where he ends up. We might not like how he does it. But we got to admit he's pretty good at it.

So when I see Ukraine and what's happening, that looks like the biggest waste of time ever. And it doesn't look like it really doesn't look like they're heading even in the right direction, does it? Like there I don't have a sense of what the right direction would look like in this case, but does it really look like they're getting closer to a deal? I don't see anything that would suggest it's getting close to a deal.

But that's the same thing I saw in Gaza right before they made a deal. And the thing that we I think all of us were blind to, I certainly was, is that Trump could convince people there was going to be a deal before those same people had agreed on what their end of the deal would be. And it was almost like he got everybody a little bit pregnant. And then there was something that happened where they somehow went past some psychological line that maybe nobody even knew existed in the first place that made it impossible to go back. So that they sort of blundered into a peace deal that nobody had expressly said let's do this. And even now, like even today, correct me if I'm wrong, the Gaza leadership is still saying they haven't agreed to it, right? But yet it's going forward. We have a peace deal. It's being implemented. We can see they're putting together the security peace force and all that. But at the same time it's not really happening because Hamas has not agreed to it. They've not agreed to give up their weapons, and that was from the very beginning a key requirement.

So is it possible, and I'm not going to assert this as a fact, it's more of a question, is it possible that Trump alone, and because of his personality, because of force of will, because he can be a bully when he needs to, because he understands negotiations like nobody ever has, is it possible that he's literally invented a way to get deals, peace deals, that nobody's ever seen before? And it involves just confusing people and pushing them at the same time.

Hey Bob, how do you like that deal we just introduced? What? I didn't see the details. Push. All right. So looks like you're halfway on board with the deal. I haven't really seen the details of the deal. What deal are you talking about? Push. Push. Stand over there, Bob. No, just stand over there. So now you're standing with the other people who agree with us on this deal. Wait, hold on. Hold on. I have not yet seen the deal. Can somebody explain to me what is being proposed? Absolutely. Absolutely. Bob, can you stand over there with the other people who have agreed with everything? Great. Right there. Right. I know you have questions. We'll get to your questions, but it's encouraging that we've all agreed to do this deal this way. Hold on. I've not agreed to do the deal this way. All right. Looks like everybody's on board.

Is that what's happening? I mean, I'm doing it humorously, but doesn't it feel like that's actually what's happening? That Trump is convincing people that no progress is progress and that once they feel there's progress, there's nothing like success to get you more success. So it feels like he's literally just creating this structure, purely psychological, that only he could do, no one else could do it. And that once you buy into the structure that there is something happening, that you are moving toward peace, that it is possible to have peace, that Trump is the one person who can make it happen, that there might be a phase where it looks like it's impossible, but that's not really predictive. What's more predictive is that Trump is part of it because he predicts good outcomes at least for peace deals maybe.

So you at least see where I'm going on this, right? That he's in such uncharted territory that I don't know if we just blundered into it and maybe something good could happen or does he intentionally create these narratives or structures or psychological labyrinths where once you're in it, you're in his world and then he can decide which hallway you go down because there's not infinite hallways. They're just the ones he's created. It's going to get better. Hold on.

All right. So we don't know what the details would be of any Ukrainian plan, but keep an eye on that. We'll see if he has in fact invented a new way to solve problems or it's just confusing and it's hard and that's all there is there.

So I guess JD Vance might have some large role in creating a Republican health care plan. This is what JD said. He was teasing that the Republicans have a quote great health care plan that the Trump administration has in the works. How many of you believe that? How many of you believe that the Republicans already have this great health care plan, but for reasons that are entirely unclear, they've chosen not to tell you? We got this great health care plan. Oh my goodness. Can we take a look at the details? The details? Yep. Yep. The details will follow, but it's a great, great plan. Is it? Is it?

How exactly are you going to be saving all the money? Well, you know how our current health care plan is too expensive? Yes, I do know that ours will not be expensive. Boom. Wait, what?

So yeah, the Republicans got a great health care plan. Going to roll that baby out any minute now.

But there are several things that Republicans are doing and can do that would lower your health care costs. The problem is they don't combine very well into a package or a message. So for example, Trump is considering lowering some tariffs on some food-related items coming into the country. Would that lower your grocery bill? Well, it could make a big difference.

Let's say that he lowered some tariffs and that helped you a little bit on the margins. What if he negotiated some prices down? Let's say the meat packers. Let's say he just negotiated with them and got the price down. Well, that would be useful and that would go toward his improving things at least on food. But food would just be, you know, I suppose

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if you indirectly improve people's nutrition that they don't need as much health care. So in some indirect ways, the Republicans can negotiate the pharma prices down, which he did. There could be higher employment if Trump's economy results in more people being hired than they buy their own health care in many cases. So there's a whole bunch of things they can do that would sort of be in that dir…

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