othes. We acknowledge that. That's on the camera. But it's not what you think. It was a fistfight. The fight broke out. I think one of the guys punched Khashoggi so hard that he ended up wearing his clothes. And then they're going to say, I think, I think they're gonna buy this. I think this is gonna work. No that won't happen.

But you know this whole thing is making me wonder about the cultural differences in what honesty looks like. Does it seem like there's some kind of a cultural thing that's happening here that the Saudis' explanation sounds ridiculous even to liars? Even people who lie for a living look at that one and say, dude, I lie for a living. I'm a politician. That's all I do. I lie all day. But I don't do that. Whatever the hell you're doing over there, who taught you to lie? You're terrible liars.

And this gets me back to a point that I'd noticed decades ago. I noticed this whenever you'd see the Middle East people who are leaders, representatives in the Middle East talking. I would always say to myself, but wait a minute, the Islamic folks are lying just like both sides. In a political situation I take it as a given that all sides are lying all the time. So I'm not gonna say that one side is the bigger liars because in my sense of the world everybody's sort of lying or exaggerating. They're leaving out things. They're lying by omission. So my sense of the world is everybody's lying all the time.

But it seemed as though when the Muslim country leaders were lying it looked different. And the way it looked different was it was lacking at least an encoding of credibility. It seems like there are some countries, some leaders, when they lie you know they're lying but you can't tell. Is this one a lie? Is it slightly exaggerated? There's at least a little bit of protective reasonable doubt around their lie. So it seems like a Western