h situation to try to find common ground when people are so polarized. So if he tries a few different things, if he tries a few approaches I would ask you to have a little bit of patience because nobody knows exactly what's going to work. Sometimes he needs to pace his team. Sometimes he needs to reach across and nobody knows exactly when is the right time and the right way to do that. So he's out there in the streets. He's out there in the trenches.

Somebody says he hates us. I don't see that in evidence because I've had enough personal conversations with Hawk that I feel like I would have picked up actual hatred and I'm not picking up a hint of it. So I think what you're looking at is a communication strategy that doesn't work for you or you think he shouldn't use. Which is a little bit different than hating you. It's actually a lot different.

What is his goal? Well he's an advocate for urban folks primarily, the African-American community. So his objective I think is quite obvious. He's trying to make things better in a variety of ways for a certain population that could use a hand. Nothing wrong with that.

All right. That's enough. I think we're going to stop now and I'll talk to you all later.