o affect me, that's not a stretch.

All right, let's talk about the wall. So what we don't know about this wall situation is what the president's strategy is. Now if his strategy is to get as much wall as he can and turn it over to the engineers, I would say that he's sort of ahead of the curve in the sense that there was only one way this wall was ever going to happen. The only way the wall was ever going to happen was if we handed it over to the engineers and the engineers decide how much is wall, how much is fence, how much is other. That's the only way this ever could have gone. There was no situation in which the politicians were going to decide every inch of the wall.

So it looks like the president is, if I had to guess it's just a guess, but it looks like he's prepping to go the only way this effort was going to go. To kind of climb down for a moment from it's a wall, wall, wall, all I want is a wall, to I'm not an engineer, neither is Nancy Pelosi. So why are the two of us discussing how much is wall and how much is fence? Because we don't know.

Why don't we let the experts do it? We'll have a pile of money and we'll try to negotiate something. Maybe we test a little bit wall. Maybe we build a little wall, a little fence, to see which one works best. Because it turns out you can't spend 25 billion in one year anyway. So you don't really need to make that decision. Just make a decision about what you're going to test and then just get on it. And then make another decision after you see how that goes.

So I would say we might be very close to something that looks like a creative funding plan for border security that will get you better border security.

Now it would be interesting to see if the engineers could come up with an estimate such as if you take a section and we put a wall there or if we put a fence, you should assume that there's probably a different degree of violation of a fence than there would be for a wall. Fewer people will get over the wall than will get over the fence if it's a good wall. And you should be able to measure that. So you should be able to make an estimate that says, okay, if we have a wall it stops ninety percent of the people who try to get through. If we have a fence it stops 75% of the people. Something like that. Something you could measure. You can measure it.

And then you could take that further and you could say, all right, with this amount of extra people getting in with a fence we estimate that 25 illegal American citizens will be murdered in the next five years. So just put your estimates in terms of money and then murder. So what is the cost-benefit analysis of letting that many extra people get over a fence versus a wall? And then you know the different costs of a wall versus a fence. So figure out how many extra people get murdered on estimates. Implying that is racist. It is. But it's also based on statistics. And how much it costs. And then agree to build a little of each and measure. Measure it.

You all say measure wrong. How can you measure the effectiveness if they can go around a small wall? Well you would only put the wall in the places where people have already for whatever reason decided it's easy to get there and it's a good place for a crossing. So people might leave there and go to where there are more coyotes, where it's more dangerous, where it's a desert. And if they cross there there's no human facilities for miles and they die in the desert. So it's not that easy to go around a wall if the wall is big enough. So you would definitely have to pick your parts.

But let's say there is no way to ever know if a fence or a wall works better. Let's say you put up a little of both and you just can't tell because as somebody said people just go to other places and you never really know what's happened. Well I think that tells you that all you need is a fence. So you found out everything you needed to know.

Yes, the Israelis. Now a lot of people don't know this and I didn't know this until recently. Did you know that Israel's wall is actually mostly a fence? How many of you knew that? How many of you know that Israel's wall is mostly a fence? Because the only things you ever see a picture of are the wall, right? You see pictures of the sections that are walls. Most of it's a fence.

So why would we do something different from what Israel did? Yeah they have sensors, they have blah blah. Yeah, I also heard on I guess it was Tucker Carlson's show that where Israel does have a solid wall I believe is on the border with Egypt. And I believe that they have taken down the illegal crossings to basically zero. So at least in the case of the Egypt-Israel wall the wall worked 100%. And where they have the longer stretch there they have a lot of fence and that seems to be working too.

So I don't think we have to wonder if walls and fences work.

Now the other news which is very damning of course for the president, politically damning, is that the government approved what, ten point six billion dollars for Central America and Mexico to build up their economies I guess so that fewer people will want to come here in a caravan. And I think not just the caravan but will want to illegally immigrate.

And I think to myself that is a very inconvenient number for a president who doesn't have a wall. If you had a wall you might be able to justify that because you'd say well we've got our priorities straight. We got the wall but we're also working on developing the things so they don't want to come across. That would sound strong. But without the wall it sounds like we're just giving money to the people who are ab