t arrival in this. That's going to go on a lot longer than Trump.

And Israel didn't solve that well but let me ask you this. Of course there's the religious overlay to all of this but these are real human beings who have to make practical decisions. And even the leaders in Iran they do see that Israel is just going to be there right? Do you think that there's anybody in Iran, and I won't ask you to read their minds but do you think that the guy thinks that Israel would ever go away during his lifetime or the next? Does he really think that's possible?

I believe that if he had the means to make us go away i.e. a nuclear bomb he would do it heartbeat no matter what that means for Jerusalem or the Palestinians who live here.

Hold on we lost a little bit of a connection there but did you say that if Khamenei had a nuclear bomb that he would definitely use it on Israel?

That's my yes. Now I've been listening to them for 20 years. They keep saying that death to America really meant death to America and it meant death to Israel long before Trump appeared.

Well they've also said consistently that... there may be a difference between what they say in English versus what they say in other languages but they have clarified and I'm not saying that we should believe this right. If I were in Israel I would assume that every threat coming out of Iran is 100% serious. So there's a way you act but then there's also looking at the odds if you could be objective about it. And it seems to me that they've also said that their problem is not the people of Israel but rather it's the political situation which is that it's a Jewish state and etc. The people are Jews and the only way we can express our Judaism is to be a Jewish state because we've tried living as a minority under other people and that hasn't worked. And we got the message 70 years ago and said no more of this minority stuff. America's a safe place but not the Middle East.

But my point is that nuking Israel would not accomplish their goals because it wouldn't be useful. I mean nobody could use Israel after it's been nuked and they would be immediately destroyed. So it's not like they could take advantage of it and they would have killed the people of Israel which they claim are not their enemies rather it's the political situation. Whether or not you believe that I'm just saying there would be an inconsistency with what they're saying.

So from the outside I always believe this with North Korea and that seemed to have been true. Remember if you were following the North Korea situation we assume that Kim Jong-un was literally crazy and that he would nuke things and die and he didn't care who died and all that. And then as soon as you test that assumption you find out that he's probably closer to a reasonable guy than whatever we thought before and then suddenly there's progress.

I feel like as crazy as we believe the mullahs are that if you were ever in a room with them and they could speak honestly they would say something like well I know we're never going to destroy Israel. The thing is I've read the Quran for a number of years. I've read the stories of the life of Muhammad and so on and I agree with you on North Korea because I don't think they wake up every morning saying a prayer that says they've got to take over the world for their God wh