Back to episode — Episode 116 - Facts are not Influencing the Immigration Debate
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All right, let's talk about immigration. So I think many of you heard me as recently as yesterday say that immigrants have a lower crime rate than citizens and that that fact is influencing part of the discussion. And when you look into it, it turns out that there had not been any studies about illegal immigrants, which are really the point. Illegal immigrants had not been studied until just recen…
← Previous segment →So why did they do it, Scott? What's their endgame? Well for most of them it's just team play. I would say that the vast majority of people on the left are just simply opposed to the president. They're just joining their team. There's not anything like thinking or reason. There's not a long-term purpose to it.
So you may remember that I challenged someone to explain to me why open borders was a good idea. And I've learned a little but I'm hoping you can guide me to what I'm still confused about, to an answer to what I'm still confused about. So someone pointed me on Twitter to an article in which someone smart, an economist, was talking about the economic benefit of open borders. And I thought to myself all right, here it is. Perfect. It's an actual economist. He'll use reason and facts and he'll give the argument for what's good about open borders. Because I didn't know the argument. I didn't have an opinion because open borders to me sounds like you just don't have a border and anybody can do what they want and how could that possibly work?
So I thought I must be missing something in this open borders argument. So here's what I'm missing. It's probably what you're missing too. Open borders doesn't mean no border. Open borders doesn't mean you don't have a wall. It doesn't mean you don't have border control. I thought it did. I thought the point of an open border was you don't have any border control. It doesn't mean that.
And because people are conflating what it does mean, which I'll tell you in a moment, with having no border, then open border sounds like just this awful thing to the right because they imagine no border. Whereas the left are imagining open, fewer restrictions, poor people can go where the jobs are. Open. I like it.
So you're seeing when people are arguing for or against open borders they're not even on the same topic. Let me tell you what open borders means to the people who are defending it who actually are smart, right? So the smartest people defending it have this argument. The open border is really about allowing workers to move across borders with controls. In other words the workers don't get to just walk across the border. The workers have to do the paperwork. They have to apply. They have to come over. They have to go back if they don't have a job. But that employment would work across borders.
And the thought was that if you had more efficient employment across borders that the entire economy would be better. The obvious example of this is the farmers in this country who have trouble getting enough labor especially seasonally. For them their business would be better. The immigrants who came in legally, legally, legally, those immigrants would just help the economy. They'd make money. Everybody wins.
So when people talk about open borders they're talking about exactly what Trump wants. Do you get that? Trump is also in favor of open borders explicitly. He does want a system that allows people to come in to work and to be documented. And they would not have, let's say, voting privileges for example. And open borders doesn't require that they vote. It just wants them to get jobs.
So this entire open borders versus not open borders — this is my tentative opinion and you saw how wrong I was about immigration crime yesterday so allow me to be fact-checked by all of you — but my understanding as of today is that the open borders versus not open borders is a completely fake debate because everyone is actually on the same side. There's no one against that idea.
Have you ever heard anybody say we don't want a system where people can be brought in to fill needs that are not being filled in this country as long as they're documented and legal and it's all done aboveboard? Has anybody ever — have you ever seen anybody disagree with that idea? President Trump is strongly in favor of open borders the way it is actually defined.
The people with the pink hats and marching in the streets, do you think that they understand what an open border is? Do you think they could define it? I don't think so. So if somebody says Soros has a different plan, does he? Does Soros have a different plan than that? Because if he does, well I'm gonna limit — let me say you might be right. So that's exactly the sort of thing I want you to fact-check me on. If you could point me to an article in which Soros has said in his own words what open borders means to him, I'd like to see that. But I'll bet, I'll bet it's about jobs.
Yes, so we have an inefficient system for legally bringing in employees and we should fix that system. Probably hire Americans at better wages, blah blah. Yeah you know there are things you can do when the economy is strong that you just can't consider when it's weak.
So I've suggested — you saw this yesterday — that the amount of foreign workers that we bring in legally, legally, legally, the amount of foreign workers that we bring in legally should float with the unemployment rate. So right now we're very close to what economists would call full employment, which means that even though some percent are unemployed those are just the people between jobs, changing jobs, retraining, etc. So that you actually need some unemployment just to have a little bit of slop in the system so people can change jobs. And yeah there's a normal amount of unemployment that's good. And where we seem to be just about there.
So that means that basically any citizen could get a job already and probably a better job than the ones that are going to the foreign workers. So yes if the unemployment were terrible you should take down your legal immigration for workers and when you know and vice versa.
You're saying Scott they literally write no borders on their signs. Yeah that's what I'm saying. So I'm saying that the people who are protesting can't define what no borders means or open borders. They just don't know what it means. And I'm not even sure that the immigrants themselves, the illegal ones who are coming here for legitimate work purposes — you could argue whether that's legitimate — but they're coming to work as opposed to crime. I would think that what they mostly care about is the ability to work. I don't think the illegal immigrants are saying damn it I'm going to come into this country and get myself a vote. Yeah I mean they might think that would be good in the long run or something but they're not coming to vote. They're coming to work.
So like many things, politics has made something which everybody largely agrees on sound like it's cause for a civil war. You know sometimes you can say yes hard enough.
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Let me give you another example. So as many people have been saying, during the Obama administration families were separated. During the Trump administration they were separated more aggressively perhaps because there were more of them in part. But everybody agrees that what Trump did was some sort of continuation and expansion of what was already happening. All right so someone says you don't ge…
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