All right there was an article, a poll was done one year after the MeToo movement going so it's been about a year of MeToo. And one of the disturbing results is one that I predicted a year ago which is that executive males are avoiding meetings with women. So apparently there's a pretty big shift in behavior, not a universal one but big enough to be problematic, in which executive men are just trying to avoid contact with women.

And think about the enormity of that problem if you're a woman. Just think about why you lose if you can't go to lunch with your CEO just the two of you because a guy can do that. Any guy can go to lunch with the male CEO. But now I don't know if the CEO is going to say he can go to lunch with let's say a youngish woman. I don't think he can right? And I asked myself if I were a CEO of a major corporation and let's say an assistant vice president, a woman, said hey can we go to lunch to talk about X, would I do it? Or would I have to invite another man or at least invite another person? I probably have to invite a man but then I think oh no if I invite the man he's gonna say something sexist and then I'm gonna get dragged into it. So I can't even invite another man to be sort of my chaperone. So I have to invite another woman and I think now it's gonna be two women. If they team up and say I did something I'm dead because now there's a victim and a witness. That's worse.

So you're the CEO. You're saying what's the only safe thing to do? The only safe thing to do is be busy or to make it a larger group. But you're not going to get the same bonding and networking as a one-on-one lunch would be. So I don't know if the trade-off is good or bad because you know the MeToo movement clearly is producing some amount of positive awareness, some amount of positive behavior change. But there's clearly a cost. I don't know how to weigh them but we should be aware of them. It doesn't mean we need to go backwards. We just need to be aware of it.