Sowell said that at this moment the illegal immigration is helping our economy a little bit more than it's hurting it, would it change your mind just for the short run? Go. I saw yes. I saw sure. I see some yeses. Interesting. I did not know if that would work. A lot of no's.

Now if you said no what would be your reasoning? If your reasoning is about the illegal part remember that's the part I removed from the question. Safety. I don't think safety. Here's my problem with the safety issue is are the immigrants coming from south of the border bringing in more crime than the average of the public that's already here? Well let me ask you that. Does that matter? Suppose you thought you needed the workers so economically that wasn't your problem. So suppose that you weren't worried about the economics temporarily but you were worried about the extra safety problem, criminal element. If I told you that, and I don't know that this is true but if I told you that the average of the people coming across the border is actually less crime than the average that's already here but of course it's more people so it's more crime, right? It doesn't, maybe it doesn't matter to you that the average would go down. Maybe it only matters that there's more of it. But if you need that more of it to operate your economy that's different.

So I think what's happening possibly, I want to open your mind to this possibility which I do not claim is the truth, right? I'm going to make two claims that I do not know to be the truth but very well could be. The first claim is that at this moment we're in a very strange period of time where we need the labor more than we need to stop it. That's the first claim and I don't know that that's true. I would look to a Thomas Sowell or something like that to confirm. The second claim and this is far more speculative is if you looked at the total body of illegal immigrants and I'm not even sure if you should include the second generation because it's all connected right? Maybe you include the second generation too to get a really good clean look. Is that fair? If I were to look at the crime from illegal immigration would you allow me to include their second generation as part of the whole picture? I think so. If you looked at the first and the second generation would their average crime be higher or lower than what was already here? I think it would be lower. I don't know and that's purely anecdotal and speculative. I think it's lower.

The thing you don't see if you don't live around the immigrant community is how much they really really don't want to get caught doing a crime because the penalty's worse. They go back to Mexico or wherever, right? There's a bigger penalty and they know it and they didn't come here to get arrested and get sent back. That's the opposite of what they want in every way. I think they're lowering the crime rate in America.

Now let me ask you this. If all they did was bring in a bunch of people who were... Oh can I say this without being kicked off of social media? Give me a pause. I know this would be a close one. You want me to fly close to the sun? Yeah I don't think I could do that. Yeah it's not worth it. All right so I'll just say that I think you cannot rule out the possibility that they're improving the economy and lowering the crime rate. I don't think you can rule that out. They may be increasing the amount of crime and if that bothers you that's actually rational. They might increase the total number of crime because whenever you increase the total number of people necessarily you increase crime. But you know every time you have a baby you increase crime, right? Did you know that? That if you ban abortion you've increased crime. You all know that right? I mean not just the crime of the abortion. Everybody gets that. If you banned all abortions your crime would go way up. Not your crime rate. If I said your crime rate I'd be a racist so I don't say that. Your total, your total amount of crime. There's just more people. More people equals more crime.

So if you think that everything that creates more people because it brings more crime is bad be consistent. You know everywhere there's more people being added to the country you should say no I don't want more people. I don't want you to have a baby. Don't have a baby that will add more crime. Not necessarily your baby but if everybody had babies you're gonna get more crime.

All right Freakonomics made the claim I think that was... I heard a debunk of the Freakonomics claim. There's a book called Freakonomics in which they said that the reason crime decreased seemingly everywhere in the United States at the same time is that because abortion was legalized and you're seeing the benefit of fewer unwanted, let's call them babies, who are more likely to commit crimes say the statistics. But I feel like that got, I saw somebody take a run at debunking that but I don't know if the debunk was better than the book or vice