Back to episode — Episode 2505 CWSA 06/14/24
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tion. So in other words it was a trial about election interference in which the trial about the election interference was unambiguously election interference. And I don't think anybody, I just like the way he kind of summed it up. So yes Thomas Massie being the adult in the room once again. Meanwhile Putin has offered that he would do an immediate ceasefire with Ukraine and all he's asking is tha…
← Previous segment →make that work? Here's how I do it. If I wanted peace I would first of all say your offer is too small. I would say I don't want to have a deal just about these disputed territories and just about NATO. We need like a big forever comprehensive deal about what is Russia to the United States in the future. Are we still enemies? Because if we're not going to negotiate being enemies in general I'm not sure we need to give Ukraine back right? If the agreement is that even after you negotiate it you're still some kind of you know still trying to put Russia out of business why don't we just do something bigger? Something much bigger in which we say look we can't let you have you know running wild and doing anything you want but we don't have a problem with you living a good life and selling your stuff into a warm water port. Just here's what we need. Don't build a battleship and put it in our water. Do a nuclear agreement. Make some kind of deal about trade. Make some kind of deal about what they would or would not do with China. So a Trump deal presumably would say you're thinking too small. We need to get much bigger on what this looks like. We need to make an agreement about space. We need to make an agreement about the melting you know the ice in the north where the passageways will open. That's going to be a big war zone but we should make the big deal. So the opportunity is not for the small deal. The opportunity is for the big deal. I'm talking Abraham Accords size where just out of nowhere you think you know what how about a gigantic comprehensive multi-country agreement that you never saw coming. I think Trump could do it because he's a utilitarian right? Trump is not Russian must die no matter what and a lot of the government is that or we've got to take over Russia no matter what. That's not Trump. He could just say all right what's real what's not real and how can we make a deal that's comprehensive and solves all of our problems at the same time. Because our biggest problem is that we've decided that Russia is our adversary and maybe they've decided the same.
Now I'm not going to say we should trust Russians but I don't think they should trust us either. So what you do is you try your best to make a deal that doesn't take too much trust. You can just observe whether it's working or not something like that. So I don't see any chance of us just making
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a deal and leaving Ukraine. I think that we're going to have to make the big deal but part of the deal would be I would say to Putin how about this. We do a real referendum in those disputed territories and if we're happy that it was a fair vote and they actually voted to join Russia instead of Ukraine it's okay. And by the way why wouldn't we be in favor of that? Why would we want to keep anythin…
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