so tired of talking about which character is the good one and who's the settler and all that stuff. But what's really interesting is how do you know what's real? And I've got a lot to say about it. I'm sure you do. And so I actually prepared some notes that show, just very quickly, the tools that I use. I'm wondering if you've been exposed to them, and I could run through it. But I'd invite you to interrupt me because otherwise I'll do too much talking.

I will interrupt as I see fit. But I agree with you that the topic of conversation is exactly what you just said. You had posted a tweet that said, and I think I'm quoting this correctly, you cannot have a political conversation with somebody who believes the news is real. Exactly. And I took that to mean that the news is fake. Correct.

Okay. So we agree on the basic terms. Yeah. So let's start by giving a little more definition to that. Now, I think the news is true when it's directly observable. Like they say there's a hurricane. A celebrity dies. He's really dead. The stuff. And of course there's a little hyperbole in what I said intentionally. But I'm really trying to narrow it down to the domains of politics, science, and economics. The big stuff. The stuff we care about. Now, I do sometimes treat those things as real because language is too messy. You know, it's hard to say well this thing I'm talking about now might, you know, there's a small chance is not real. So we do have the problem that I do talk about it like it's real sometimes.

Can I interrupt you one more time? I'm so sorry. As much as you want.

When you say something is real, is that the same thing as saying it's true? Are those terms interchangeable?

Okay. Yeah. Yes. And then there's a hybrid where the report is true, meaning that somebody really reported it, but maybe the facts are