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Back to episode — Episode 2517 A Conversation With Michael Ian Black

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not true. So meaning they got it wrong. They got it wrong. Yeah. So here's my argument. My argument starts with there are some disciplines that people learn that make them better at determining what's true and what's not in the news. For example, if you're a plumber by training, you're probably good at predicting plumbing, but it's not really a good generalizable skill. If you're a teacher, you'…

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etect well not with 100% certainty.

Okay got it. Yeah. Nobody can do that. And yes I do have some real good examples of whoppers I got wrong. So that'll make you happy.

It's not a question of being happy or not. It's just a question of understanding where you're coming from.

Yeah. Okay. So here's an example. When the pandemic happened and Fauci came out and said masks will do you no good, I'm the only person in the country, a public figure, who said oops he's lying. He believes that they are good. And he's just making sure the professionals have them. I'm so sorry let me see if I can rectify this situation very quickly. I'm so sorry. It seems like if one dog in the podcast you're not doing it right. I like to have at least a baby or a dog.

All right. While we're waiting for Michael to take care of that let me make sure I'm looking at my Locals comments. So sorry I was throwing them away. I threw them away. Threw them away. All right. All right.

So when Fauci came out and said masks won't help you, this is on the first day, masks won't help you, I'm the only person in the country who said publicly and very loudly he's lying. That's a lie. And the reason I knew it is because there would obviously be a shortage of masks for the professionals. It would be more important for the professionals to have them. And that probably was just a strategic smart lie. Later, much later, he admitted that that was a lie and his belief was that masks worked. And then that turned into another problem down the road which is they didn't really work well enough to justify the mandates. So I don't want to get into the details. I just say that's one example in which I was correct. You said he was lying when he said masks won't work. And importantly the only one in the world.

I don't know if that's true but I'll take you at your word.

Yeah. I haven't seen an exception.

Here's another example.

I'm sorry let me just interrupt for a second because I do think this is important. You just said I was the only one in the world who said that. And do you mean that literally?

All right. So here we have to talk about reading comprehension. If I say white people like cheese you don't need to ask if I mean all of them. If I say I'm the only one person in the world who got it right you don't need to ask well how do you know have you polled everybody important? Because you're setting yourself up as somebody who knew the truth when nobody else knew the truth. So when you make a statement that says I was the only one in the world who said that to me that sounds false. Now if your point is I'm exaggerating whatever fine. I don't know you well enough to know whether or not you're exaggerating or whether you mean that literally.

I'll tell you I'm always exaggerating. So whenever I talk about universals they're never universal. Okay. So if I say it's light in the daytime I allow that there could be an eclipse. So there's just some ordinary assumptions. All right. But I'll try to be more careful because I see that that could be a sticking point.

Now on top of this part of my talents are I'm a hypnotist. Were you aware of that? I'm a trained hypnotist.

I know that you claim to be a trained hypnotist. I don't really know what that means.

It means I went to school for it. I got certified. I've been practicing it. I've been studying persuasion. I've written on it. I've got a best selling book on the topic. Okay. So that allows you to sort of be a BS detector as well. And so Fauci really stood out as obviously BS to me. Now did anybody else get it right? I didn't hear of any. So I'll just back up to the claim that I interacted on that question a great deal and nobody suggested that anybody else had the same idea.

Fair enough.

Okay. Then here's some other examples. When Trump recently was asked about what he would do about the spiraling debt he said that he would take care of it with growth. You know grow the economy we'd have more taxes. Now because I have a background in economics I know that's not a real answer. That's because if our debt were let's say a trillion dollars and we were adding 100 billion a year to it you probably could grow your way out of that. But anybody with even a little bit of economic knowledge knows that when you have a $35 trillion debt and you're adding two trillion a year you can't really grow out of that. So that's an example. If you didn't know economics you'd say that sounds like a good idea. I'd rather grow than increase taxes.

Here's another one. It helps to be old and having seen a lot of patterns. So you know if I'm 30% older than you I've got 30% more pattern recognition. So here's one that I called as did many people. I said that the jobs reports would be fake because that's just always the case when the incumbent is also in control of the people who do the data. So the jobs reports are fake.

You mean they're just made up out of whole cloth?

I'll let me finish. That will be the answer to that question. So it's very common for the jobs report to come out and then they revise them later. That's actually normal process. But what is predictable is that the first story will be whoever is in charge, in this case it's Biden, is doing great on jobs. Look at these numbers. And then months later there's a smaller story. We revised this down. It really wasn't nearly that good. Now that was something I recall a quarter very recently where it was revised up. This is during Biden's administration. I don't have that information in front of me so it's entirely possible I'm mistaken. But I do recall very recently it was revised up. So today it was revised down. So today it was massively revised down. But in addition if you've worked with data, a lot of my corporate jobs were data and projecting and trying to predict the future which isn't really a thing. If you knew that you knew that the numbers were probably cooked anyway. Meaning that it had a lot of part-time people. They had a lot of migrants got jobs. If senior citizens are going back to work that's not good news. So you can't even tell the good news from the bad news.

Is the job report designed to include seniors, part-time workers, migrant workers, etc. or is there some exception that these job reports that you're talking about are including numbers that aren't traditionally included in the job reports?

Everybody who gets a job is probably included. But what's different is whether it's good news or bad news. If you heard that all of the jobs went to senior citizens you would think that's bad news. If you heard that all went to 20-somethings getting out of school you think that's the best news ever.

I don't know that I agree with that but okay.

Well I mean you're stating an opinion about what I would think and I'm not saying I necessarily agree with that but okay. Economists would agree with me. All of them. 100%.

Again I don't know that that's true.

All right. Well you so you're making claims and I don't know if 100% of economists would agree with that statement and I suspect you don't know that either.

Yeah actually I do. 100% of economists would agree with this statement that if all the jobs went to senior citizens that's not nearly as good as if all the jobs went to young people. That would not be a disputable claim.

Okay I'll take you at your word.

All right. Have you ever heard of Gell-Mann Amnesia? Have you ever run across that?

Gell-Mann Amnesia. This is on

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e of the most important things to know to look at the news. So there was a physicist named Gell-Mann and he would read the news and he would see a story about physics which was his expertise and he would say oh my God they got everything wrong. And then he'd see another one about physics and like they did it again it's wrong again. Every time I read about my expertise it's wrong. But then he would…

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