mention the pirate ship analogy and he was nice enough to credit me on that. Which by the way I don't require. I like it when my ideas get used by anybody. I don't know if I've ever told you that directly. So anybody who wants to take anything I've said and say it with or without credit I'm okay with that. Like I'm not in it for the credit. I don't work that way. So anyway the pirate ship is about staffed.

Here what I love about the pirate ship is that it forgives a lot of rough edges because there could be a lot of people on the same team who've got their own rough edges. And if you call them pirates and you say well we're at least on this pirate ship on the same mission together it sounds a lot better than it's a whole bunch of people with flaws. So there's something about the pirate ship analogy that just totally works for me. I think it's that bad boy thing and now a bad girl because we got Tulsi on board.

I also love the framing that RFK Jr.'s done with Make America Healthy Again, Make America Great Again. You could see why the left bristled at it because they're like great again? Why are you saying it was so great back when there was slavery? Now that's not what anybody was thinking but it was easy to twist that into something bad so they did. So I personally I've never been an embracer of MAGA. I talk about it and I like the people who are part of it but I didn't like it associated with me personally. You know even though the press likes to associate me it's just I didn't like the word. I don't like how it sounds. It sounds too much like a maggot. Too easy to turn it into something negative. So I was never on board with MAGA since the beginning although I would acknowledge it became a gigantic successful branding thing. So you could argue that Trump got it right because it was so successful.

However when you hear Make America Healthy Again, oh my God does that hit. Make America Healthy Again refers to not just our systems and our election process and how we select people and what we do in the world. I mean we need way more health in our systems. But physically we're dying. We're just physically less healthy and it's a big big big problem. And I think RFK Jr. with Make America Healthy Again found a way that everybody can agree because not everybody's going to want to make America great again because they think that's moving backwards. Which by the way Kamala Harris is cleverly and again this has to be Plouffe. I guarantee you this is David Plouffe. She's saying that Trump is taking you backwards and she wants to take you forwards. How good is that as persuasion? Well it's so good that I once taught Bill Clinton how to do it. Because remember how he took, he might not know I was behind it but the idea that Bob Dole was taking you to the past because he was saying hey you know I'm the greatest generation let's get back to those old ideals. It made it easy for Clinton to say well you're taking us to the past. I'm going to take you to the future. That is always the winning play. I'll take you to the future always beats I'll take you to the past even if the past looked pretty good. Nobody wants to go back to the past. It's just nobody. So Kamala Harris once again has a perfect frame which is that they're about the future and Trump wants to make you this again guy. Oh you want to do again? You mean the past? Ah I see. So you're taking us back to when nobody can have an abortion and there were slavery and Jim Crow. Oh you want that again? Too easy to mock. But what do you do with Make America Healthy Again? Oh I'd like to go back to when we were less healthy? No that's one direction. You know even though you say again you know that we're less healthy so nobody argues that we were healthier in the past. Nobody has that feeling. So that's good.

RFK Jr. on climate change, because I know this is where a lot of Republicans are going to say wait a minute I disagree with you RFK Jr. because you're pro climate change. But I didn't know exactly what his nuanced thinking was. But here's something that would make you a little bit happier. He said Democrats have become subsumed in this carbon orthodoxy meaning that the only issue is carbon and it's the thing that they're going to measure for everything. So if you're measuring carbon that's what you'll manage to have. I told you a million times that you can only manage the things you measure. So if let's say there were three things you thought were good ideas but one of them you could measure and you did measure that's where all your attention would go because you can measure it. As soon as you can measure a thing it just sucks all the energy to it because okay you can tell if I make a difference. So he's saying that the concentration on that may be diverting from some better things you could do to just make the environment cleaner that may have nothing to do with CO2.

But then he goes further so I can't follow him on this part of the journey but I appreciate it. He said the reason that we protect the environment is because there's a spiritual connection. So it's not just the CO2 stuff. He says there's a spiritual connection and when we destroy nature we diminish our capacity to sense the divine. I love the way he put it. So in terms of poetry and verbal capability it's through the roof. It's standard Kennedy. How the hell did you say this so well stuff. So it's impressive in that way and probably hits people just what they want.

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