ted to come on Joe Rogan's podcast. And according to Rogan, he said Zelensky tried to come on. Yeah, they tried to get Zelensky on. He says, I was like, what are you talking about? And he does sort of a weird voice because he's just joking. What are you talking about? So that was exactly the right response. No, don't put Zelensky on Joe Rogan show. So Rogan quite correctly realized this was a propaganda run and nothing good could come from it.

Now remember he wanted to talk to both the presidential candidates. So if it was American business and it was political, he was all in. He had Bernie Sanders on. But Zelensky is not like the others. He's just pure propaganda. So Rogan's like no. Again, if he had never told you that story that Zelensky pitched it and he said no, I mean think about how big the ratings would have been. It's not like he was unaware that the ratings would have been monumental. Of course they would have been. And he still said no. That was the right answer. I think he got the right answer there.

Let's talk about Putin. So Putin's psychology game is — I was going to say second to none but it might be second to Trump. One of the reasons that I think those two bond a little bit, you know, as adversaries but they bond, is that they're both so good at the psychology. Just listen to what Putin says. And I'm not going to try to convince you that Putin means every word he says and it's all completely honest, right? We don't have to have that conversation, right? We don't need any NPCs storming in saying, oh you're