es. So how in the world could you guarantee such a thing?

Now on the other side, Putin has the same situation. We'd like him to guarantee that if we make a deal, he won't make a move on the rest of Ukraine at some later date. How in the world could that ever be guaranteed? It can't. So the two things that the sides want, the most important two things — one wants no NATO, and the other wants a guarantee that there would be no future attacks — that's something that both sides can say okay to because it's not giving away anything. There's no asset there. It's nothing. You're not giving away anything because both sides could just change their mind tomorrow, and it's not like we can ask for collateral, right? We can't say I'll tell you what, we'll hold Moscow as collateral, and in case you attack, we get to keep Moscow. No, there's no way you can put collateral on it. What kind of guarantee could you ever come up with?

Now I'd love to be wrong. I'd love to find out that there's some clever way you could guarantee this sort of thing, but I don't think so. Yeah, so that'll be the hard part. How in the world do you do something that would guarantee anyt