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Episode 332 Scott Adams - Wondering Why Wall Funding Can’t be Negotiated in Public

Episode #332 Dec 11, 2018 13:17 7,658 views

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Opening General Commentary

Hey everybody, get in here. This is breaking news. The news is breaking hard. I hope you're all watching over on C-SPAN. They've got the Google hearings and the CEO of Google is doing these hearings. And behind the Google CEO is an activist. Just as activism goes, the Monopoly Man guy has got some r…

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MainContent Politics as Persuasion

But let's talk about wall funding. The president just had a press conference with Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer in which they started sort of negotiating in public in front of the press. And Nancy or Schumer said, you know, let's not negotiate in front of the press, blah blah blah. Now if you're n…

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And here's the question I ask myself: Why can't they negotiate in public? I can see lots of topics that you would not want to negotiate in public. For example, trade negotiations, you definitely don't want to do that in public. Decisions on national defense, you do not want to do that in public. Dis…

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MainContent Politics as Persuasion

And the other thing that was hilarious about this is I saw that the press, whatever you call it, talking to Pelosi and Schumer afterwards. And then Schumer were arguing these technical budget things. You know, it sounded like, well we've offered a CR like last year but the continuing resolutions, th…

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MainContent Persuasion

And here's the thing. I'm not even sure I have a bias. I don't think I have necessarily a bias on this topic because to me it's a technical question. It's not a political question. It's just what works. You have both sides agreeing that they want something that works for border security. So the crit…

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Closing General Commentary

All right, first time watching me live? Well it just gets better and better, doesn't it? Trump promised Mexico was going to pay for the wall. Well that wasn't really the important part of the wall, was it? So apparently money is no longer the problem because the Democrats have promised money. All r…

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Hey everybody, get in here. This is breaking news. The news is breaking hard. I hope you're all watching over on C-SPAN. They've got the Google hearings and the CEO of Google is doing these hearings. And behind the Google CEO is an activist. Just as activism goes, the Monopoly Man guy has got some real good activism. So look for the Monopoly Man behind the CEO of Google at the hearings today.

But let's talk about wall funding. The president just had a press conference with Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer in which they started sort of negotiating in public in front of the press. And Nancy or Schumer said, you know, let's not negotiate in front of the press, blah blah blah.

Now if you're not up to date on what the problem is with the wall funding, I would like to explain it to you in a two-person skit in which I will play President Trump and the part of everybody else. Nancy and Chuck Schumer will be played by Dale. And it goes like this: We need strong border security. I will shut down the government. I also want strong border security. Well I want strong border security. I want strong border security and I'll give you money for it. Well I want money for strong border security. Oh yeah, I'm shutting down the government for that. You're not gonna get money for strong border security. Instead what we've offered you is money for strong border security. If you don't, I'm gonna shut down the government. Or something like that.

Now of course this substantive conversation about border security has really turned into an argument about whether they can or cannot use the words "wall." I suppose if you call it a defense everybody would be happy. But the Democrats can't allow the president to have a political victory.

And here's the question I ask myself: Why can't they negotiate in public? I can see lots of topics that you would not want to negotiate in public. For example, trade negotiations, you definitely don't want to do that in public. Decisions on national defense, you do not want to do that in public. Discussions about how to change a law, you know, that's brainstorming. You don't want any of that stuff in public because people will just be throwing in ideas. It's too early. There are lots of things I would not want to see negotiated in public.

But this one thing, the question of the wall and border security, I really want that negotiated in public. Why not? You could make a good argument there are lots of things not to negotiate in public and the public is better served by that. But this is not one of those. This is a situation that the public is perfectly capable of understanding and all the brainstorming has been done. We basically understand the entire topic, thanks to talking about it for three years. So as a citizen I request of my government that this absolutely should be negotiated in public. Period.

The border security should be negotiated in public. And I want to see how they get around the choice of words, whether it's a wall or a fence. I want to see the President of the United States ask Chuck and Nancy in public, do you think that a solid wall and a fence are equally good protection? I want to see him say, suppose we have different solutions for different places, but for the important parts where there's the biggest problem, is it okay if we use the best technology?

How about if the president simply said this, negotiating in public: Well Chuck and Nancy, neither you nor I are experts on construction of walls and fences and what to do. How about we make this deal: Give us X amount of money and our experts will decide where it needs to be a wall and where it needs to be something else. Why don't we not act like we're good at that because we're politicians, and why don't we let the experts decide where to put a wall?

I would love to see this negotiated in public. Trump is likely an expert? Well he's not. Trump knows construction but who is an expert on building barriers on the border? That's a pretty small expertise.

And the other thing that was hilarious about this is I saw that the press, whatever you call it, talking to Pelosi and Schumer afterwards. And then Schumer were arguing these technical budget things. You know, it sounded like, well we've offered a CR like last year but the continuing resolutions, the process. And I'm just listening to it going, I really don't know what you're saying. We don't care about these budget details. And then the president says we need a wall. It's like watching him club baby harp seals. It's just not a fair fight. Wall, good. Communicating, good. Persuasion, it's visual. Everybody knows what a wall is.

Chuck Schumer: Well we promised last time and why isn't this as good as last time when last time we did a CR and you all know what a CR is but sometimes you do these in packages and we had agreed last year so why isn't the stuff we agreed with last year all versus we did a wall? This is not a fair fight.

So let's negotiate this wall thing in public. And if the president doesn't want to do it with Nancy and Chuck, how about proxies? I would love to see somebody else who actually knows what they're talking about negotiate in public. How about just a Republican who knows what they're talking about and a Democrat who knows what they're talking about. Let's have them debate it.

Now the worst way to do that would be to put them on a two-minute segment on one of the news shows. They yell at each other, they interrupt, and then time runs out. I want a good hour show, could be on C-SPAN or something, in which somebody who actually knows what they're talking about, maybe they've got some backups with them, you know, somebody who can do some fact-checking in real time. And you've got a moderator and you say, all right, should we have a wall everywhere? What do you two say about that? And do you agree some walls are good in some places? Do you both agree with that?

In fact I'll do it. How about I do it? I will moderate the wall budget questions. I'm actually qualified for this. My corporate jobs for years, it was exactly this. It was negotiating budgets. So it was my job to talk to the department heads and negotiate how much their budget was and make it all work under the larger budget. So I could do that. I'll moderate.

And here's the thing. I'm not even sure I have a bias. I don't think I have necessarily a bias on this topic because to me it's a technical question. It's not a political question. It's just what works. You have both sides agreeing that they want something that works for border security. So the critical part of the disagreement is no disagreement at all. Everybody wants good border security. So I don't have any kind of political bias that would be relevant because everybody is on the same side to begin with. There are just some questions about how much would it cost, how long would it take, is a wall as good as a fence. Just technical stuff.

I could have this solved in 24 hours. Put me on camera with two experts who know what they're talking about. We'll have this all sorted out in 24 hours. The only people who can't have solved this are the people who have a political stake in it. So the president has such a strong political motivation about calling it a wall and the Democrats have such a strong political motivation to not call it a wall. That's actually the only remaining problem.

Do you get that? That our government is displaying a level of incompetence that I don't believe we've ever seen. This might be the new highest level of incompetence, at least one that we can understand as voters. We don't understand everything they do because you can't really tell if they've done something wrong if you don't know exactly what they're doing and what's the right thing to do. But in this wall situation we know that both sides agree. We know that the money is available. You have two people agreeing with each other as hard as they can. That's a very unusual situation. They just want to use different words for things.

If you have a situation in which people agreed on the fundamentals and the only thing they were arguing about is how you express it and what you talk about and how you persuade and what words you use, that's all it's down to, who would you call to help you solve that problem? Yeah, you'd call me.

I'm not qualified to do everything. You know, the list of things I'm not qualified for is infinite. The number of things I am qualified to do compared to all the things people can do, it's very small. My total collection of skills is very small compared to all the things one could be skilled at. But this is exactly what I do. This is what I do. I figured out how two people who are in complete agreement can present their case in a way that breaks the logjam.

All right, first time watching me live? Well it just gets better and better, doesn't it?

Trump promised Mexico was going to pay for the wall. Well that wasn't really the important part of the wall, was it? So apparently money is no longer the problem because the Democrats have promised money. All right, that's all I had to say about today and I will talk to you later.

bumbum bumbum bumbum hey everybody get in here is breaking news that news is breaking hard I hope you're all watching over on c-span they've got the Google hearings and the CEO of Google is doing these hearings and behind the Google CEO is an activist just as the the as the monopoly millionaire guy as activism goes got some real good activism so look for the monopoly man behind the CEO of Google at the hearings today but let's talk about wall funding so the president just have a press conference with Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer in which they started sort of negotiating in public in front of the press and Nancy Schumer said you know let's not negotiate in front of the press blah blah blah now if you're not up to date on what the problem is with the wall funding I would like to explain it to you in a two-person skit in which I will play President Trump and the part of everybody else Nancy and Chuck Schumer will be played by Dale and it goes like this we need strong border security I will shut down the government I also want strong border security well I was a strong border security I want strong border security and I'll give you money for it well I want money for strong border security oh yeah I'm shutting down the government for that you're not gonna get money for strong border security instead what we've offered you is money for strong border security if you don't I'm gonna shut down the government or something like that now of course this substituent substantive conversation about border security has really turned into an argument about whether they can or cannot use the words wall I suppose if you call the defense everybody to be happy but the Democrats can allow the president to have a political victory and here's the question I ask myself why can't they negotiate in public I can see lots of topics that you would not want to negotiate in public for example trade negotiations you definitely don't want to do that in public decisions on national defense you did not want to do that in public discussions about how to change a law you know that's in discussion that's to brainstorming you don't want any of that stuff in public because people will just be throwing in ideas it's too early there are lots of things I would not want to see negotiated in public but this one thing the question of the wall and border security I really want that negotiated in public why not you could make a good argument there are lots of things to not negotiate in public and the public is better served by that but this is not one of those this is a situation that the public is perfectly capable of understanding and all the brainstorming has been done we know what all the options are you know we know we basically understand the entire topic thanks to you know talking about it for three years so as a citizen I request of my government that this absolutely should be negotiated in public period the the border security should be negotiated in public and I want to see how they get around they'll the other choice of words whether it's a a wall or a fence I want to see the President of the United States ask Chuck and Nancy in public do you think that a solid wall and a fence are equally good protection I want to see him say suppose we have different solutions for different places but for the important parts where there's the biggest problem is it okay if we use the best technology how about if the president simply said this negotiating in public well Chuck and Nancy neither you nor I are experts on construction of walls and fences and and what to do how about we make this deal give us X amount of money and our experts will decide where it needs to be a wall and where it needs to be something else why don't we not act like we're good at that because we're politicians and why don't we let the experts decide where to put a wall I would love to see this negotiated in public Trump is likely an expert well he's not the Trump knows construction but who's it who is an expert on building you know barriers on the border that's a pretty pretty small expertise and the other thing that was hilarious about this is I saw that the press whatever you call it talking to Pelosi and Schumer afterwards imposing Schumer were arguing these technical budget things you know it sounded like well we've offered a CR like last year but the continuing resolutions of the process and I'm just listening to it going I really don't know what you're saying we don't care about these budget details and then the president says we need a wall it's like watching him you know club baby harp seals it's just not a fair fight wall good communicating good persuasion it's visual it's you know everybody knows what a wall is Chuck Schubert well we promised last time and why isn't this as good as last time when last time we did a CR and you all know what a CR is but sometimes you do these in packages and we had agreed last year so why isn't the stuff we agreed with last year all versus we did a wall this is not a fair fight so let's negotiate this wall thing in public and if the president doesn't want to do it with Nancy and Chuck how about proxies I would love to see somebody else who actually knows what they're talking about negotiated in public how about just a you know a Republican who knows what they're talking about and a Democrat who knows what they're talking about let's have them debate it now the worst way to do that would be to put them on a two-minute segment on one of the new shows they yell at each other they interrupt and then time runs out I want a good hour show could be on c-span or something in which somebody who actually knows what they're talking about maybe they've got some backups with them you know somebody who can do some fact-checking in real time and you've got a moderator and you say all right all right should we have a wall everywhere what do you two say about that and and do you agree this some walls are good in some places do you both agree with that right in fact I'll do it how about I do it I will moderate the wall budget questions I'm actually qualified for this my my corporate jobs for years it was exactly this it was negotiating budgets so it was my job to talk to the department heads and negotiate how much their budget was and make it all work under the larger budget so I could do that I'll moderate and and here's the thing I'm not even sure I have a bias I don't think I haven't necessarily a bias on this topic because to me it's a technical question it's not a political question it's just what works you have both sides agreeing that they want something that works for border security so the the critical part of the disagreement is no disagreement at all everybody wants good border security so I don't have any kind of political bias that would be relevant because everybody is on the same side to begin with there are just some questions about how much would it cost a long would it take is a wall as good as a fence just technical stuff I could have this solved in 24 hours put me on camera with two experts who can do know what they're talking about well how this all sorted out in 24 hours the only people who can't have solve this are the people who have a political stake in it so the president has such a strong you know political motivation about calling it a wall and the Democrats have such a strong political political motivation to not call it a wall that's actually the only remaining problem do you get that that our government is displaying a level of incompetence that I don't believe we've ever seen this might be the new highest level of incompetence at least one that we can understand as voters we don't understand everything they do is he can you can't really tell if they've done something wrong if you don't know exactly what there and what's the right thing to do but in this wall situation we know that both sides agree we know that the money is available you have two people agreeing with each other as hard as they can that's a very unusual situation they just want to use different words for things if you have a situation in which people agreed on the fundamentals and the only thing they were arguing about is how you express it and what you talk about and how you persuade and what words you use that's all it's down to who would you call to help you solve that problem yeah you'd call me I'm not qualified to do everything you know there the list of things I'm not qualified for it is infinite the number of things I am qualified to do compared to all the things that people can do it's very small right my total total you know a collection of skills is very small compared to all the things one could be skilled at but this this is exactly what I do this is what I do I figured out how to people who are in complete agreement can present their you know present their their case in a way the break in the coal there was a didn't coming call alright first time watching me live well just gets better and better doesn't it Trump promised Mexico was going to pay for the wall well that wasn't really the important part of the wall was it so apparently money isn't no longer than the problem because the Democrats have have pros they you know they promised money all right that's all I had to say about today and I will talk to you later

bumbum bumbum bumbum

hey everybody get in here is breaking

news that news is breaking hard I hope

you're all watching over on c-span

they've got the Google hearings and the

CEO of Google is doing these hearings

and behind the Google CEO is an activist

just as the the as the monopoly

millionaire guy as activism goes got

some real good activism so look for the

monopoly man behind the CEO of Google at

the hearings today but let's talk about

wall funding so the president just have

a press conference with Nancy Pelosi and

Chuck Schumer in which they started sort

of negotiating in public in front of the

press and Nancy Schumer said you know

let's not negotiate in front of the

press blah blah blah now if you're not

up to date on what the problem is with

the wall funding I would like to explain

it to you in a two-person skit in which

I will play President Trump and the part

of everybody else Nancy and Chuck

Schumer will be played by Dale and it

goes like this

we need strong border security I will

shut down the government I also want

strong border security well I was a

strong border security

I want strong border security and I'll

give you money for it

well I want money for strong border

security oh yeah I'm shutting down the

government for that you're not gonna get

money for strong border security instead

what we've offered you is money for

strong border security if you don't

I'm gonna shut down the government or

something like that now of course this

substituent substantive conversation

about border security has really turned

into an argument about whether they can

or cannot use the words wall I suppose

if you call the defense everybody to be

happy but the Democrats can allow the

president to have a political victory

and here's the question I ask myself why

can't they negotiate in public I can see

lots of topics that you would not want

to negotiate in public for example trade

negotiations you definitely don't want

to do that in public decisions on

national defense you did not want to do

that in public discussions about how to

change a law you know that's in

discussion that's to brainstorming you

don't want any of that stuff in public

because people will just be throwing in

ideas it's too early there are lots of

things I would not want to see

negotiated in public but this one thing

the question of the wall and border

security I really want that negotiated

in public why not you could make a good

argument there are lots of things to not

negotiate in public and the public is

better served by that but this is not

one of those this is a situation that

the public is perfectly capable of

understanding and all the brainstorming

has been done we know what all the

options are you know we know we

basically understand the entire topic

thanks to you know talking about it for

three years

so as a citizen I request of my

government that this absolutely should

be negotiated in public period

the the border security should be

negotiated in public and I want to see

how they get around they'll the other

choice of words whether it's a a wall or

a fence I want to see the President of

the United States ask Chuck and Nancy in

public do you think that a solid wall

and a fence are equally good protection

I want to see him say suppose we have

different solutions for different places

but for the important parts where

there's the biggest problem is it okay

if we use the best technology how about

if the president simply said this

negotiating in public well Chuck and

Nancy neither you nor I are experts on

construction of walls and fences and and

what to do how about we make this deal

give us X amount of money and our

experts will decide where it needs to be

a wall and where it needs to be

something else why don't we not act like

we're good at that because we're

politicians and why don't we let the

experts decide where to put a wall I

would love to see this negotiated in

public Trump is likely an expert well

he's not the Trump knows construction

but who's it who is an expert on

building you know barriers on the border

that's a pretty pretty small expertise

and the other thing that was hilarious

about this is I saw that the press

whatever you call it talking to Pelosi

and Schumer afterwards imposing Schumer

were arguing these technical budget

things you know it sounded like well

we've offered a CR like last year but

the continuing resolutions of the

process and I'm just listening to it

going I really don't know what you're

saying we don't care about these budget

details and then the president says we

need a wall

it's like watching him you know club

baby harp seals it's just not a fair

fight wall good communicating good

persuasion it's visual it's you know

everybody knows what a wall is Chuck

Schubert well we promised last time and

why isn't this as good as last time when

last time we did a CR and you all know

what a CR is but sometimes you do these

in packages and we had agreed last year

so why isn't the stuff we agreed with

last year all versus we did a wall this

is not a fair fight so let's negotiate

this wall thing in public and if the

president doesn't want to do it with

Nancy and Chuck

how about proxies I would love to see

somebody else who actually knows what

they're talking about negotiated in

public how about just a you know a

Republican who knows what they're

talking about and a Democrat who knows

what they're talking about let's have

them debate it now the worst way to do

that would be to put them on a

two-minute segment on one of the new

shows they yell at each other they

interrupt and then time runs out I want

a good hour show could be on c-span or

something in which somebody who actually

knows what they're talking about maybe

they've got some backups with them you

know somebody who can do some

fact-checking in real time and you've

got a moderator and you say all right

all right should we have a wall

everywhere what do you two say about

that and and do you agree this some

walls are good in some places do you

both agree with that right in fact I'll

do it how about I do it I will moderate

the wall budget questions I'm actually

qualified for this

my my corporate jobs for years it was

exactly this it was negotiating budgets

so it was my job to talk to the

department heads and negotiate how much

their budget was and make it all work

under the larger budget so I could do

that I'll moderate and and here's the

thing I'm not even sure I have a bias I

don't think I haven't necessarily a bias

on this topic because to me it's a

technical question it's not a political

question

it's just what works you have both sides

agreeing that they want something that

works for border security so the the

critical part of the disagreement is no

disagreement at all

everybody wants good border security so

I don't have any kind of political bias

that would be relevant because everybody

is on the same side to begin with there

are just some questions about how much

would it cost a long would it take is a

wall as good as a fence just technical

stuff I could have this solved in 24

hours

put me on camera with two experts who

can do know what they're talking about

well how this all sorted out in 24 hours

the only people who can't have solve

this are the people who have a political

stake in it so the president has such a

strong you know political motivation

about calling it a wall and the

Democrats have such a strong political

political motivation to not call it a

wall that's actually the only remaining

problem do you get that that our

government is displaying a level of

incompetence that I don't believe we've

ever seen this might be the new highest

level of incompetence at least one that

we can understand as voters we don't

understand everything they do is he can

you can't really tell if they've done

something wrong if you don't know

exactly what there

and what's the right thing to do but in

this wall situation we know that both

sides agree we know that the money is

available you have two people agreeing

with each other as hard as they can

that's a very unusual situation they

just want to use different words for

things if you have a situation in which

people agreed on the fundamentals and

the only thing they were arguing about

is how you express it and what you talk

about and how you persuade and what

words you use that's all it's down to

who would you call to help you solve

that problem yeah you'd call me I'm not

qualified to do everything you know

there the list of things I'm not

qualified for it is infinite the number

of things I am qualified to do compared

to all the things that people can do

it's very small right my total total you

know a collection of skills is very

small compared to all the things one

could be skilled at but this this is

exactly what I do this is what I do I

figured out how to people who are in

complete agreement can present their you

know present their their case in a way

the break in the coal there was a didn't

coming call alright first time watching

me live well just gets better and better

doesn't it Trump promised Mexico was

going to pay for the wall well that

wasn't really the important part of the

wall was it so apparently money isn't no

longer than the problem because the

Democrats have have pros they you know

they promised money all right that's all

I had to say about today and I will talk

to you later