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Episode 675 Scott Adams - Ukraine Persuasion, How to Know Who is Right

Episode #675 Sep 26, 2019 44:07 20,002 views

My new book LOSERTHINK goes on sale 11/5. Pre-order: https://bit.ly/2NRammu Dave Rubin’s cancelled Mohawk College event Bill Gates support for SAFE nuclear will be seen on Obama’s Netflix Democrats hid a key part of the Ukraine story in plain sight The underling to underling concept The “Dershowitz Standard” Ukrainian President Zelensky is a student of persuasion Did you catch all the techniques he used in the transcript? Persuasion concept of reciprocity ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you would like my channel to have a wider audience and higher production quality, please donate via my startup (Whenhub.com) at this link: https://interface.my/ScottAdamsSays I use donations to pay for the daily conversions of the original Periscope videos into Youtube and podcast form, and to improve my production quality and search results over time.  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please subscribe to my channel…it REALLY helps. Like my video? Hate my video? Let me know, VOTE! Please leave a comment, let me know how I'm doing. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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camaraderie, the dopamine hit of the day, the thing that makes everything better. All right, so we've got funny news and stupid news. Here's the stupidest news of the day. Yeah, there's some news that you can't label any other way. It's like, well, this is stupid news. So you probably all know Dav…

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ushing other leaders? Isn't that exactly why we hired him? So I was rereading the Ukrainian transcript of the phone call. It's not exact, because it's not a transcript. And what I saw was the president who was using all the tools of his office and all the tools of being the president basically. And…

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ying. So I've got to run. I've got somebody coming. Keep an eye out for Zelensky on the world stage. Here's my prediction. Zelensky is going to be bigger than Ukraine. Zelensky is going to be bigger than Ukraine because of skill. That's my prediction. So that's all for today. I got to go do some o…

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All right, so we've got funny news and stupid news. Here's the stupidest news of the day. Yeah, there's some news that you can't label any other way. It's like, well, this is stupid news.

So you probably all know Dave Rubin from the Rubin Report. I think I'm gonna be on his show talking about my upcoming book in several weeks. But Dave Rubin — and if there's anybody here who doesn't know Dave Rubin, he identifies as liberal, as gay, and Jewish. This is important to the following story, otherwise not important, but important to the following story.

He was going to do an event with Maxime Bernier, who I don't know anything about but maybe is a little controversial, and it was gonna be at Mohawk College. Then the local newspaper got into it, and here's what they say about Dave Rubin. Now remember, Dave Rubin is a liberal, gay, Jewish guy. Important to know before I tell you what the local paper said.

The local paper said Dave Rubin is a far-right YouTube personality that plays a significant part in the radicalization process, ushering people into the neo-Nazi movement. Are you effing kidding me? According to a recently published study out of Cornell University which analyzed 79 million comments and 300 of the videos below, blah blah blah.

Now, do you believe that Dave Rubin is recruiting people into the neo-Nazis? That is the most insanely stupid, defamatory, slanderous, libelous — I don't know, all those words sound like to me. It is so bad. That is so bad. I thought I had it bad.

Yeah, poor Bill Pulte — I think he's on Periscope today. You heard what happened to him? He tries to give away money, give away money. He's trying to give away his own money and help other people become part of the process of charity, just trying to create some kind of virtuous energy toward giving money. What happened to Bill Pulte for being a charitable, good person? He got doxxed. His wife is getting threatening calls on her cell phone. Are you kidding me? What happened to the world? What happened?

Now I'll give you a little bit of an update on my situation. So you know it was a John Cook — I can't remember his name — but just say that I'm pursuing some action against somebody who's just as bad, but you know that story.

All right, Bill Gates has a special on Netflix. It's a special on Netflix about Bill Gates. I think it's called "Bill Gates' Mind." And Netflix — this is important. Remember, Netflix is the Obama kind of a production company. Obama is working with Netflix. So nobody would say Netflix is some conservative outlet, right? It's clearly identified a little bit more with the left.

And so Netflix decides that one of the portions that they're going to tweet out to promote the Bill Gates show on Netflix — the Bill Gates, it's not a show, it's one piece of content called "Bill Gates' Mind," I think — and they tweeted out the part where Bill Gates is saying that nuclear is the solution to climate change. I'm simplifying, but that's the sense of it.

Now think about that. There was Netflix. This isn't some far-right "hey, we like nuclear power." It's Netflix and it's Bill Gates. And Netflix has decided that what the world needs to see — because Netflix has a big footprint, right — what the world needs to see is that Bill Gates says that the new technologies and new developments in nuclear are going to be the way.

I think that feels like a turning point, doesn't it? Because you've got Booker and Yang and Biden. They're all pro-nuclear. And of course Republicans are almost all pro-nuclear. So I feel like climate change is largely solved now. But I don't mean fixed. I mean that the path to fixing it is known. It's possible. Not just possible, it's doable. Completely doable. So we know how to do it. It's completely practical. We can get there. It's a lot of work, but we know how to get there.

And here's the hard part. The left and the right largely agree now. What you're watching is the left convincing itself. So there are elements of the political left who are completely in agreement with the right on this, on how to save the world. And I don't think you would see this much agreement except that the left has also scared themselves into action.

So as many people have pointed out, if you're saying that climate change is real in the sense that it's a real near-extinction risk — so that's the real part, whether it's an extinction-level horrible cataclysmic future — if you believe that and you've scared your own side into believing it, suddenly the risk of nuclear seems irrelevant. Because you could actually, let me put it in direct terms, you could lose two or three nuclear plants. You know, just something bad happens and it would still be totally worth it. Even if a 10 or 20 mile piece of land wasn't usable at some point, still the cost-benefit would be totally worth it.

Now I shouldn't have even said that because, as you know, the risk for the new technologies, the most current types of nuclear plants, have never had any kind of bad event. Zero. Never. It's only the older technologies that have ever had a bad event. So everybody's on board now.

Enough about that. Let's talk about Ukraine. Everybody wants to talk about Ukraine. I've got an angle on Ukraine that you haven't heard. So you're gonna be hearing all the same stories everywhere, but let me get into it. It'll take me a while to work into it here. But here's the first thing.

Didn't we elect President Trump to pressure other leaders for things that we want? Am I wrong that the reason Trump was elected — and indeed really that the job description of the president — they should be pushing other leaders? Isn't that exactly why we hired him?

So I was rereading the Ukrainian transcript of the phone call. It's not exact, because it's not a transcript. And what I saw was the president who was using all the tools of his office and all the tools of being the president basically. And he was building a persuasive kind of a mode because he did mention things such as Ukraine's future could be great. He did mention, and of course the context is that there was some money out there that was slated and had not even been granted.

But let me ask you this. Let's say there was no such thing as the Biden part. Let's say that never happened. What do you expect that Trump still would have told his people to hold off on the money to Ukraine until he talked to the leader of Ukraine? Do you see it yet? Of course he would, because it's what he does every time in every situation.

The most basic thing that Trump does is if he's gonna go talk to a foreign leader, the first thing you do is you stop that thing you were gonna give him. You talk to him first. Let me put it in even more stark terms. If you give money to the foreign leader before you talk to him, you're an idiot. Am I wrong?

Because the job of the president is to persuade other leaders. I'm not wrong on that, right? We want him to persuade England. We want him to persuade China. We want him to persuade France. We want him to persuade Israel. That's what he's hired to do. So if you sent him into a conversation with a foreign leader, do you want to send him armed or unarmed? Armed. Every time. Armed.

Now you say to me, but wait a minute, this conversation was not about negotiating. So if you took the Biden part out, there wasn't even anything to talk about. It was just "hey, congratulations for winning your election," right? So you might say that wasn't really a negotiation situation. So why, without the Biden part, why in the world would he hold back?

Let me give you the answer to that. Because he's smart. That's why. Do you know why else you would hold back that until you talk to him? Because it makes it a treat when you get it. If he's smart, which apparently he is, he would pair the gift — you know, the money that we'd promised, the actual giving of it — with the conversation. Wouldn't you try to pair your conversation, your first impression, with a very large gift? Of course you would.

So every reason in the world supports the idea that he should hold it until he has the conversation. You could take Biden out of the whole story and it's exactly the same. He should not have given them the money before he talked to him. Period.

Now part of it was he needs to get the measure of the person. Because remember there was some question about corruption. Who knows what our relationship with Ukraine will be exactly until you get the new leader? The leaders have to size each other up. Do you give somebody a whole bunch of money before you size them up, before you see what your deal is between leader and leader? Well, if you do, you're an idiot.

Stopping the money until you have the conversation is always the smartest thing to do if you are in the most powerful country in the world and every conversation is persuasion, because it is. It would have been perfectly reasonable for the president to make it very clear to this guy that he's the guy who determines if you get the money, not Congress.

Let me ask you this. When we send our president overseas to negotiate for us, do you want him to go unarmed? Do you want to send him into a conversation with a foreign leader and the foreign leader thinks, I don't care about you because Congress is the one who gave me the money. Congress is the one that I need to worry about, Mr. President. Do you want to send the president unarmed into a conversation with another leader? No. No.

What's the best thing the president could do? Stop the money from Congress, walk into the conversation, and make sure that whoever he's talking to knows who controls the money. Then he's armed. Then he can do his job more effectively.

All right, so take Biden out of the question and you still, if you're smart, you stop the money until the conversation.

Secondly, there is something extraordinarily brilliant in how the Democrats are playing this. And I don't know that I've heard anybody say this yet, so this will be maybe the first time you've seen it. You know I talked a lot about making you think past the sale. So you've heard that from me a bunch of times. If this is the first time you've heard it, a car salesman would say, well, do you like the red one or the blue one? You know, how will this look in your garage? So he's making you think past the decision of do you buy the car and make you wrestle with the question of which color is going to be. That's a salesman's trick to make you think past the decision of buying, as if you've already bought it, and think about what it looks like in the future.

There's a form of that, not exactly the same thing, with this Ukraine transcript. And when I tell you you're gonna be mad, you get mad, because there's something they've hidden in plain sight here. It's like there's a part of the story that's just hiding, and it's because there's a trick. And once I reveal the trick, the thing they're hiding will just go whoop and you're gonna see it. Watch this.

They're making you think of whether it's appropriate for the president to, let's say, pressure another leader and whether it's appropriate to offer some quid pro quo. That's the only conversation we're having, right? All the conversation is about whether the president's process was appropriate. What is the question we haven't asked? The question nobody's asking is, is it a fair question if Biden is guilty? It's a whole different story, right?

If Biden was actually guilty of something, that's all that matters. I mean that changes the whole story because of course the president should have asked about that. How about this CrowdStrike stuff that he also asked about? Should the president have asked about that? Yes.

So the Democrats were making us, making the world, think past the question of whether these are good questions that a president should get the answer to. And they are good questions that the president should get an answer to.

Here's some of the dumbest takes I've seen on the story on Twitter. People saying, well that's not the president's job, that's the FBI's job to figure that stuff out. Well if that's something you say, if you're very inexperienced. If you have experience working in big organizations you would know that when the underlings try to talk it's usually just a roadblock. Because underling to underling, the underling you're trying to get something from will say, yes I know, I don't have authority, no reason to work with you, et cetera. Underling to underling is rarely a productive path.

And when that fails — and maybe you try that first but if it fails, and it probably did — you move it up to boss to boss. And then when boss to boss makes an agreement that something's gonna happen, you tell your underlings and then they can maybe communicate a little bit better and get something done. But those people who say no it's the FBI, you've never worked in any kind of a large organization. Underling to underling is rarely a productive path. So it is perfectly appropriate that the bosses talk about that.

Now, so anyway, did you see the magic trick? You all saw that, right? We're being made to think past the sale of whether or not the Biden thing has any meat to it.

You know I introduced the idea of two movies playing on one screen and we've never seen a better example than this. People are reading the same transcript and saying completely different movies. And I've been trying to see the other one. You know, sort of like a Yanny Laurel thing where you squint and you see it. See if you can see the other movie on your screen. And I can't quite see it, which doesn't mean it's not there, right? You can't really say the other movie is wrong. You could only say I can only see mine.

Now here's a little tip for deciding what is real and what is not. I talk about this a lot but I want you to apply it to this situation. And it's how to tell who is hallucinating. Hallucinations are generally additions. Additions to a scene. It's the hallucinator sees something that isn't there.

So if you have two people looking at the same data, the same content, the same anything, and one group says, oh it's here, it's here, look at it. Can you read it? I mean I'm reading it, it's right in front of me. And the other group, who are also legitimate ordinary adults, are looking at the same thing at the same time and they go, oh yeah I don't see it. I don't see anything. Under those conditions, who do you bet on? Always bet on the one who doesn't see it.

Kind of likewise if the two networks — I like to use Fox News and CNN but you could substitute any left and right — if one of them is reporting the thing is true and the other is not, it's probably not. Russia collusion: CNN reports it's true, Fox News reports it's not. It's not. The ones who are seeing it were seeing confirmation bias. The ones who didn't see it were not affected by confirmation bias because they were not inclined to believe it was true. So the people who don't see a thing are far more likely to be the ones who are right in the end.

You want to try some more? I'm gonna try some. You don't like Uranium One? I watched the Uranium One handle for months and months and months from people saying it's a big old scandal. And I would listen to it and even on the surface the way it was reported I would say I don't see anything. I don't see anything there. I see all the right people signed off. I see no shortage of uranium in the world that matters. I see that the mine involved was actually physically in the United States so if we ever needed it we could just take it. I mean really we could just take it if it was anything like emergency need. And sure enough you've seen no prosecutions. I just sort of didn't see it.

So use that standard. It is not a hundred percent accurate but as far as I know I can't think of a time in the at least in the political sense that it hasn't worked. You could do some hindcasting with that. Well it would be a little bit hard for you to check because if you hindcast with that it's going to tell you some of the things you do believe are not real.

Yeah, the embassy sonic weapon attack. Some people could see it as clear as day. I couldn't. To me that was completely non-existent. Couldn't see a whiff of it. And it looks like it probably doesn't exist.

All right, so then the whistleblower's report comes out and it just turns out it's secondhand reporting about something he heard in the meeting on the transcript we've already seen. So I think this thing's falling apart.

And then I heard about — but I did not see myself so I looked for some confirmation — I believe Alan Dershowitz was on probably Fox News yesterday and just took the piss out of the whole Ukrainian thing. Just no law, no laws broken, nothing impeachable. I just used the Dershowitz standard. I urge you, wait for Dershowitz to tell you what this means on this or other topics because he's the only freaking person on the whole planet who has a sufficient background, who is willing to be honest. He's the only one willing to try who also has all the legal credentials. The guy's become sort of a national treasure in the sense of sorting things out for us.

All right, Howard Kurtz had what I think is one of the worst takes on the Ukrainian situation. So Howard Kurtz — and for context he's on Fox News and I don't identify him as being right or left, so he's a media critic type. My observation is he does try to play it as close as he could get to the middle. One of the few people who actually tries to do that. So I love the show by the way. So Howard Kurtz, I'm a big fan of his. But the following take on the transcript I think is one of the worst. Here's why.

What he noted was that when he read the transcript, one of his takeaways was — and sort of a test he would put on it to see how important it is — he said, and I quote, "but if you flipped the script, if Barack Obama asked Ukraine in 2011 to help investigate one of Mitt Romney's sons, Republicans would have gone nuclear."

Now first of all that's true, right? We'd all agree that if the situation were reversed, because we live in the political world and there's a big election coming up, that if you reverse the facts the Republicans would be the ones going nuclear. I think that's a fair statement just because we live in a political world.

But that has nothing to do with how important the actual event is. That's a political statement. It is politically true that the Republicans will go nuts if Democrats do something. Democrats will go nuts if Republicans do something. If you reverse in this situation the other one would go nuts. That's true of every situation. You can't think of any topic where you couldn't reverse it and the other side would go nuts.

So using the "if I reversed it the other side would go nuts" as any kind of a standard to reach a decision about how you should feel about it, it just doesn't connect. So I think you should reject the standard of "how would you feel if this were reversed." It's useful to tell you that you're being biased about it. Maybe that part's really good as an exercise for your own checking of your bias. It's really helpful to do so. Howard Kurtz has a very helpful suggestion that indirectly in the sense that you should always reverse and say, oh what would this look like if the other side were doing it? Would I feel the same? That's a good question to ask.

But it has nothing to do with whether it's impeachable. It has nothing to do with whether it's illegal. It has nothing to do with really how you should see it. Because if you're trying to be unbiased it wouldn't matter what other people would think in other situations. That's the least important thing. I don't care what somebody else hypothetically would have thought in a hypothetical situation. I just care about this one.

All right, apparently the president has given alternate stories for why the money was held. One of them was other countries were not pulling their weight and helping Ukraine. I think that was also referenced in the phone call. So we judged that to be true that other countries are not pulling their weight and that it was an issue and they had been talking about it. That would be a good reason to at least hold back the money a little bit just to see. Maybe they put a little pressure on other people. We don't know if that's the one reason.

And then another reason the president gave is that Ukraine is corrupt. You needed to sort of feel out the new leader to see if this money is going to go into corrupt or non-corrupt hands. And this guy seems to be a corruption fighter, at least labeled that way.

So here's the thing. Does it matter that he gave two different stories for why he did it? That doesn't strike me the same. And again I'll use my "what happens if the other side had two different stories for something, would I feel differently?" And the answer is no.

Here's the standard for you. If somebody has two or three reasons for doing something they're probably all true. Sometimes you're thinking about one, sometimes you think that's the important one. Because if you were to say which is more important — if the fact that other countries were not putting in the money, not pulling their weight, is that more important than the fact that Ukraine might have some corruption and the money might not be used correctly? Well on any given day you might reverse those. If you're talking in public you might say yeah we're not gonna, you know it's because the other countries aren't pulling the weight, but you're trying to influence the other countries. Another time if you're maybe at a press conference or something you might call out the corruption.

So whether this was a Democrat or a Republican, I always give everybody two or three reasons if they make sense. If any of those reasons are just ridiculous then you have to reassess. But for big complicated situations, having two or three good reasons while you're doing it and not exactly knowing how to rank them or which one to highlight first, but that's just business as usual.

The one you want to watch out for is when there are 10 reasons. I call that the laundry list. If you see a whole list of reasons for anything — a list of reasons why the president is really an alien from space or whatever — once you get to a whole number they're probably all bad. Two or three is normal.

All right, here is my take on that you haven't seen yet. President Zelensky of Ukraine is a student of persuasion. Surprise. Well here are some pull quotes from the transcript. You pay for this. Look for the pacing. So pacing is where you agree and become the other person. So watch him agree with and become Trump. Watch this.

This is Zelensky from the transcript: "You are absolutely right, Mr. President." See, the pacing is already starting. "We did win big. Win big. We worked hard for this." One of the two things that Trump likes better than anything: winning big and working hard. Winning and working hard. The two biggest things that Trump cares about. This is Zelensky put it in one sentence.

And you say to yourself, well Scott that might be a coincidence. It might be a coincidence that in one sentence he's nailing it. But is it? Wait, did you hear what he said next? He says — this is still Zelensky — "We worked a lot but I would like to confess to you that I had an opportunity to learn from you." So Zelensky is saying he learned from President Trump.

Then he says, "We use quite a few of your skills and knowledge and we're able to use it as an example to our elections. Yes it is true that these were unique elections." So you see he's agreeing with everything the president is saying and then these are amplifying. We won big. We work hard. And we use your skills to do it.

Now if you say it's just flattery you're operating in the 2D world. Flattery works, yeah there's no question. The flattery is a thing and it works. But this is nuclear flattery. The flattery is almost a cover for the fact that these are pacing skills.

Here's that a little bit later. This is Zelensky says in response to something the president said, he says, "Well yes, to tell you the truth." To tell you the truth. That little statement, you just slip that in there "to tell you the truth" because you uncritically hear that as the truth is coming even though you haven't heard what it is yet. "We were trying to work hard." Because we see "work hard" again. He keeps saying work hard, work hard, work hard. What does this president like better than hard work? Fricking nothing. Right? Except maybe money on occasion. But I mean he loves hard work.

And he says we're trying to work hard because we wanted to drain the swamp here in this country. I am. Now of course he is a corruption fighter. That was what he was trying to brand himself as. So the general statement of course you'd expect him to say. But he uses the president's language: drain the swamp. Remember he's not a native English speaker. This is Zelensky. He's clever. He's clever.

Then the president says something and then Zelensky responds. He goes, "Yes you were absolutely right. Not only a hundred percent but actually a thousand percent." Who do you know that would go from a hundred percent right to a thousand percent right? President Trump. I don't know any other politician who would speak in that style. Zelensky is pacing the heck out of him. I mean really, really well. This is good technique.

So the whole story that you've been watching is that Trump was pressuring Zelensky. Here's the story you didn't watch. Zelensky was giving it as good as he was getting. Zelensky has some game. And I didn't know that until I read the transcript. Zelensky is no idiot. Zelensky is learning and he is learning fast and it's working.

You've won the election. So now listen to Trump the negotiator. Now I said before that you always want to send your leader in to negotiate. He's always negotiating even if he's not negotiating. Everything a leader does with another leader is negotiation even if they're not calling it that, right? Let's agree we're adults. It's all influence. Because even if they're just trying to be friends that's part of the negotiation.

So here's something that Trump says. Trump says, "United States has been very good to Ukraine. I wouldn't say that it's reciprocal necessarily because things are happening that are not good. But the United States has been very good to Ukraine." That's the process of reciprocity, right? So the president is saying we've given you something, meaning generally we're good to you, creating a situation where on his own Zelensky is supposed to be thinking, oh I owe you one.

Right now you're calling it mob talk. I would call it just the president doing his job. If the president doesn't talk like this with every leader every time, he's not doing his job. This is exactly how he should be talking to every leader every time. If you're saying that there's something special about this conversation then I think you're missing some context. This is how the president should talk with every leader, foe or friend, every time. The president should bring the entire weight of the office to every conversation with every leader. The whole weight of the office. He should not leave any of that home. The whole weight. And he's bringing it.

It's like, United States has been very good to you. I don't see that coming back. That is fricking exactly why he was elected.

All right, let me be as clear as I can. If we send a president into a meeting like this with any major leader and he doesn't do this, he doesn't create the situation that says we've been good to you, let's see what you can do for us, if he's not creating that feeling, he's not doing his job. You need another president. One who knows how to walk into a room and own it. President Trump knows how to walk into a room and own it.

Now he's got the full weight of the office and the United States behind him and he brings it. He brings the whole office every time because he's not dumb. Of course you bring the whole office. You're bringing the whole bag every time. Why would you leave anything home?

All right, here's some more. Listen to Zelensky do some more pacing. So this is Zelensky in the transcript. He says, "It turns out that even though logically the European Union should be our biggest partner with Ukraine, but technically the United States is a much bigger partner than the European Union." How much does Trump want to hear that he's better than the European Union? And he goes on, "And now very grateful to you for that because the United States is doing quite a lot for Ukraine." Pacing, pacing, pacing. "Much more than the European Union, especially when we were talking about sanctions against the Russian Federation. The United States is much better than the European Union."

All right, so are you watching this dance? So Trump comes into the dance. He says the United States is doing way more than Ukraine is doing for us. How do you counter that if you're just as persuasive as Trump? What's a good counter to that? A really good counter. That is, wow you're way better than the European Union. Because when you say you're way better than the European Union, how does that make Trump feel? That he's good where he is. That the current situation is good. Hey I like being better than the European Union and I love hearing Ukraine say it.

So Zelensky in real time very cleverly created a new frame which is not the United States versus Ukraine who can be better to each other. That was Trump's frame and it was the right frame to bring. Zelensky very quickly in real time turns it into the United States versus the European Union. And hey you're winning. You're way better than the European Union. This is really, really good stuff. If you can't see why Zelensky won the election you're missing a good show.

And then Zelensky says, "I would like to thank you for your great support in the area of defense. We're ready to continue." He says specifically, "We're almost ready to buy more Javelins from the United States for defense purposes." Damn. Zelensky just told the president that he would buy more military stuff if the president kept being good to Ukraine. Now he didn't say quid pro quo. He didn't say quid pro quo. But he did suggest that if Ukraine has a lot of money to buy some military equipment that the president would be very happy with. Zelensky is giving it as good as he's getting. Maybe better. I mean he's got some serious game here.

All right, Trump says the other thing. So when he asked for a favor he was talking about the CrowdStrike stuff. Look into the CrowdStrike stuff. But then later on he goes, the other thing. So you could reasonably say that this is part of the question about I need a favor here. Here's a lot to talk about. Biden's son. The Bidens stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that. So he says a lot of people want to find out about that. That's just true, right? A lot of people want to find out about that. So do whatever you can with the Attorney General. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecutions. So if you can look into it. He goes, it sounds horrible to me.

Now the counter to that if you haven't heard it is that the prosecutor was widely considered not effective and not fighting corruption. So there were, it seems, good reasons that he was fired and that maybe Biden had some good reasons for him to be fired that weren't necessarily family related. But I don't know what they were.

So here's the thing. Is it fair to say that there was some uncertainty both with Trump and with all of us about what the Bidens were doing over there? There were, right? You and I don't exactly know why Hunter Biden got paid so much other than it looks sketchy, right? Wouldn't you like to know? Don't we all have a right to know? Shouldn't we know what was going on?

If Biden is leading in the polls in a matchup in the general election, it's the most — I would say if you were to rank all the things that the president should be doing, you could make an argument that it should be first. If you want to make a rank of all the things President Trump should do, the highest priority to the lowest, I would say close to the highest would be making sure that the guy who's leading in the polls to be President of the United States doesn't have what looks like an obvious conflict of interest with a major country that's connected to Russia. How is that not the president's top priority? Given that we don't have a war going on that's a hot war right now and the economy's chugging along, I would say that might have been the president's top priority. Even if when they look into it there's nothing there. There might be nothing there but certainly looking into it, it's got to be a top priority.

All right, then Zelensky says, I heard the prosecutor was treated very badly. Oh now this was still Trump saying, Trump said I heard the prosecutor was treated very badly and he was a very fair prosecutor. I guess that's not for us to debate. So good luck with everything.

And then the president says your economy is going to get better and better. I predict. You have a lot of assets. It's a great country. And he says he has many Ukrainian friends. So there's the president. He likes to paint that picture of everything's going to be good for you. But it's also sort of suggested that they're good working with each other. It might be part of it even though he doesn't state that. It's just sort of the proximity to it that makes you think, well there's something about this productive working with the United States and the fact that you're a great country. Something good can happen.

And then Zelensky throws in that on some trips to the United States you stayed at Trump Tower. I love that part. Zelensky just like tosses that in. And I stay at Trump Tower. What does that do? Concept of reciprocity. You say to yourself that is such a trivial thing. There is no way that the president of the United States is going to be influenced by one guy staying in his hotel. He's a billionaire. Couldn't possibly matter.

Now well somebody says it's flattery. I don't know. I wouldn't say that was flattery that when he threw in that he was staying at Trump Tower. I would say that was closer to the concept of reciprocity. I gave you something. And here's the thing. Reciprocity doesn't require you to give the same amount. So a salesperson will say hey can I send you some tickets to the show? You know they're worth a few hundred bucks. And you say yeah I can. And then you pick that vendor over the other vendors for a multi-million dollar project. So the concept of reciprocity does not require equal value. I could give you a stick of gum for nothing. Just hey would you like some gum? And you will automatically be tuned to being friendlier to anything that I need later. It's how reciprocity works.

So that little comment, I stayed at Trump Tower. Good stuff. Good stuff.

Now I don't know who's advising him but I know he used to praise "Win Bigly." And I would be surprised if nobody on the Ukraine team read "Win Bigly." Just saying.

So I've got to run. I've got somebody coming. Keep an eye out for Zelensky on the world stage. Here's my prediction. Zelensky is going to be bigger than Ukraine. Zelensky is going to be bigger than Ukraine because of skill. That's my prediction.

So that's all for today. I got to go do some other stuff and I will talk to you later.

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the day yeah there's some news that you can't label any other way it's like well this is stupid news so you probably all know dave rubin from the rubin report i'll be a I think I'm gonna be on this show talking about my upcoming book in several weeks but Dave Rubin for if there's anybody here a dozen now Dave Rubin he identifies as liberal as gay and Jewish this is important to the following story otherwise not important but important to the following story he was giving he was going to do a an event with Maxime Bernier who I don't know anything about but maybe is a little controversial and it was gonna be at Mohawk College and then the local newspaper got into it and and here's what they say about Dave Rubin now remember Dave Rubin is a liberal gay Jewish guy important to know before I tell you what the local paper said he was so this is the local paper you say dave rubin is a far-right youtube personality that parts right and a significant part of a radicalization process assuring people into the neo-nazi movement are you effing kidding me according to a recently published study out of Cornell University which analyzed 79 million comments and three hundred out of the videos below blah now do you believe the Dave Rubin is recruiting people into the KK into the neo-nazis that is the most insanely stupid defamatory slanderous libelous I don't know all those words sound like to me it is so bad that is so bad I thought I had it bad yeah poor uh bill Polti I think he's on the the periscope today you heard what happened to him he tries to give away money give away money he's trying to like give away his own money and and help other people become part of the process of charity just try to create some kind of virtuous energy toward giving money what happened to Bill Paul T for being a charitable good person he got doxxed his wife is getting like threatening calls on her cell phone are you kidding me well what happened to the world what happened now I'll give you a little bit of an update on my situation so you know was a John Cook I can't remember his name but well I want him to talk about my just just say that I'm I'm pursuing some action against somebody who's just as bad but you know that story alright Bill Gates has a special on Netflix or it's a special on Netflix about Bill Gates I think ace mind and Netflix this is important remember Netflix is the Obama kind of a what do you call it a production company so Obama is working with Netflix so nobody would say Netflix is some conservative of any kind of outlet right it's clearly identified a little bit more with the left and so Netflix decides that the there one of the portions that they're going to tweet out to promote the Bill Gates show on Netflix the Bill Gates it's one it's not a show it's one one piece of content called Bill Gates mind I think and they tweeted out the part where Bill Gates is saying that nuclear is the solution to climate change I'm simplifying but that's the sense of it now think about that there was Netflix this isn't some far-right hey we like nuclear power it's Netflix and it's Bill Gates and Netflix has decided that what the world needs to see cuz Netflix has a big footprint right what the world needs to say is that Bill Gates says that the new technologies and new developments and nuclear are going to be the way I think that's that feels like a turning point doesn't it because you've got Booker and yang and Biden they're all pro-nuclear and of course Republicans are almost all pro-nuclear so I feel like climate change is largely solved now by salt I don't mean fixed I mean that the path to fixing it is known it's possible not just possible it's doable completely doable so we know how to do it it's completely practical we can get there it's a lot of work but we know how to get there and here's the hard part the left and the right largely agree now now that what you're watching is the left convincing itself so there are elements of let's say the the political left who are completely in agreement with the right on this on how to save the world and I don't think you would see this much agreement except that the left that the left has also scared themselves into action so as as many people have pointed out if if you're saying that climate change is real in the sense that it's a real near extinction risk so that's the real part whether it's an extinction level horrible cataclysmic future if you believe that and you've scared your own side into believing it suddenly the risk of nuclear seems irrelevant because you could actually let me put it in direct terms you could lose two or three nuclear plants you know just something bad happens and it would still be totally worth it even if you know a 10 or 20 mile piece of land wasn't usable at some point still the cost-benefit would be totally worth it now I shouldn't have even said that because as you know the risk for the new technologies the other the most current types of nuclear plants have never had any kind of bad event zero never it's only the older technologies that have ever had a bad event so everybody's on board now enough about that let's talk about the everybody wants to talk about Ukraine I've got an angle on Ukraine that you haven't heard so you're gonna be hearing all the same stories everywhere but let me I'll get and it'll take me a while to work into it here but here's here's the first thing didn't we elect President Trump to pressure other leaders for things that we want am I wrong that the reason Trump was elected and indeed really that the job description of the President they should be pushing other leaders isn't that exactly why we hired him so I was rereading the the Ukrainian transcript of the phone call transcript if transcript dish because it's not exact and what I saw was the president who was using all the tools of his office and all the tools of being you know being the president basically and he was he was building a persuasive you know kind of a mode because he did mention things such as you know Ukraine's future could be great he did mention you know and of course the context is that there was some money out there that was slated and had not even been granted but let me ask you this let's say there was no such thing as president Trump but asking about Biden let's say that never happened what do you expect that Trump still would have told his people to hold off on the money to Ukraine until he talked to the leader of Ukraine do you see it yet of course he would because it's what he does every time in every situation the most basic thing that Trump does is if he's gonna go talk to a foreign leader the first thing you do is you stop that thing you were gonna give him you talked to him first let me put it in even more stark terms if you give money to the foreign leader before you talk to him you're a idiot am I wrong because the job of the president is to persuade other leaders I'm not wrong on that right we want him to persuade England we want him to persuade China we want him to persuade France we want them to persuade Israel that's what he's hired to do so if you sent him into a conversation with a foreign leader do you want to send him him armed or unarmed armed every time armed now you say to me but wait a minute this conversation was not about negotiating so if you took the Biden part out there wasn't even any anything to talk about it was just hey congratulations for winning your election right so you might say that wasn't really a negotiation situation so why without the Biden part why in the world would he held back let me let me give you the answer to that because he's smart that's why do you know why else you would hold back that until you talk to him because it makes it a treat when you get it he would pair if he's smart which is apparently he would pair the gift you know the money that we'd promised the actual giving of it with the conversation wouldn't you try to pair your conversation your first your first impression with a very large gift of course you would so every every reason in the world supports the idea that he should hold it until he has the conversation you could take Biden man in the whole story and it's exactly the same he should not have given them the money before he talked to him period now part of it was he needs to get the measure of the person because remember there was some question about corruption there was you know who knows what our relationship with Ukraine will be exactly until you get the new leader the leaders have to size each other up do you give somebody a whole bunch of money before you size them up before you see what what your deal is between leader leader well if you do you're an idiot you're an idiot stopping the money until you have the conversation is always the smartest thing to do if you are in the most powerful country in the world and every conversation is persuasion because it is it would have been perfectly reasonable for the president to make it very clear to this guy that he's the guy he's the guy who determines if you get the money not Congress let me ask you this when we send our president overseas to negotiate for us do you want him to go unarmed do you want him to go into a conversation with a foreign leader and the foreign leader thinks I don't care about you because Congress is the one who gave me the money Congress is the one that's I need to worry about president do you want to send the president on armed into a conversation with another leader no no what's the best thing the president could do stop the money from the Congress walk into the conversation and make sure that whoever he's talking to knows who controls the money then he's armed then he can do his job more effectively all right so take Biden out of the question and you still if you're smart you stop the money until the conversation secondly there is something extraordinarily brilliant in how the Democrats are playing this and I don't know that I've heard anybody say this yet so this will be the maybe the first time you've seen it you know I talked a lot about making you think past the sale so you've heard that from me a bunch of times if you can say to somebody just if this is the first time you've heard it a car salesman would say well do you do you like the red women to the blue one you know how will this look into your garage so he's making you think past the decision of do you buy the car and make you wrestle with the question of which color is going to be that's a salesman's trick to make you think past the decision of buying as if you've already bought it and think about what it looks like in the future there's a form of that not exactly the same thing with this Ukraine transcript and when I tell you you're gonna be mad you give me mad because there's there's something they've hidden in plain sight here it's like there's a part of the story that's just hiding and it's because there's a trick and one one side reveal the trick the thing they're hiding will just go whoop and you're gonna see it watch this and they're making you think of whether it's appropriate for the president to let's say pressure another leader and whether it's appropriate to offer some quid pro quo that's the only conversation we're having right all the conversation is about whether the president's process was appropriate what is the question we haven't asked the question nobody's asking is is it a fair question if Biden is guilty it's a whole different story right if if Biden was actually guilty of something that's all that matters I mean that's that changes the whole story because of course the president should have asked about that how about this Crowd.

Strike stuff that he also asked about should the president have asked about that yes so the the Democrats were making us making the world think past the question of think past the issue of whether these are good questions that a president should get the answer to and they are good questions that the president should get an answer to here's the some of the dumbest tanks I've seen them the story on Twitter people saying well that's not the president's job that's the FBI's job to figure that stuff out well if that's something you say if you're very inexperienced if you have experience working in big organizations you would know that when the underlings try to talk it's usually just a roadblock cuz underling to underling that the underling you're trying to get something honorable say yes you know I'm a job I don't have authority you know no reason to work with you et cetera underling to underling is rarely a productive path and when that fails and maybe you try that first but if it fails and it probably did you move it up - boss - boss and then when boss the boss makes an agreement that something's gonna happen you tell your underlings and then they can maybe communicate a little bit better and get something done but those people who say no it's the FBI you've never worked in any kind of a large organization underling - underlaying is rarely a productive path so so it does perfectly appropriate that the bosses talk about that now so anyway did you see the magic trick y'all saw that right we're being made to think past the sale of whether or not the Biden thing has any meat to it the whistle you know I introduced the idea of two movies playing on one screen and we've never seen a better example than this people are reading the same transcript and saying completely different movies and I've been trying to see the other one you know sort of like a yani Laurel thing where you squint and you see it see if you can see the other movie on your screen and I can't quite see it which doesn't mean it's not there right you can't really say the other movie is wrong you could only say I can only see mine now here's a little tip for deciding what is real and what is not I talk about this a lot but I want you to apply it to this situation and it's the how to tell who is hallucinating hallucinations are generally additions additions to a scene it's the hallucinate arisia something that isn't there so if you have two people looking at the same data the same content to same anything and one group says oh it's here is here look at it can you read I mean I'm ready it's right in front of me and the other group who are also legitimate you know ordinary adults are looking at the same thing at the same time and they go oh yeah I don't see it well I don't see anything under those conditions who do you bet on always better than one who doesn't see it kind of likewise if the two networks I like to use Fox News and CNN but you could substitute any left and right you know Anna let's if one of them is reporting the thing is true and the other is not it's probably not right Russia collusion CNN reports it's true Fox News reports is not it's not the ones who are seeing it we're seeing confirmation bias the ones who didn't see it were not affected by confirmation bias because they were not inclined to believe it was true so the people who don't see a thing are far more likely to be the ones who are right in the end you want to try some more I'm gonna try some some you don't like uranium one I watched the uranium one handle for months and months and months from people saying it's a big old scandal and I would listen to it and even on the surface the way it was reported I would say I don't see anything I don't see anything there I see all the right people signed off I see no shortage of uranium in the world that matters I see that the mind involved was actually physically in the United States so if we ever needed it we could just take it I mean really we could just take it if it was anything like emergency need and sure enough you've seen no prosecutions I just sorted I didn't so use that use that standard it is not a hundred percent accurate but as far as I know I can't think of a time in the at least in the political sense that it hasn't worked you can you could do some hind casting with that and well it would be a little bit hard for you to check because if you hide and cast with that it's going to tell you some of the things you do believe are not real yeah the embassy sonic weapon attack some people could see it as clear as day I couldn't to me to me that was completely non-existent couldn't see a whiff of it and it looks like it probably doesn't exist all right here is so then the whistleblowers report comes out and it just turns out it's secondhand reporting about something he heard in the meeting on the transcript we've already seen so I think I think this thing's falling apart and then I heard about but I did not see myself so I look for some confirmation I believe Alan Dershowitz was on probably Fox News yesterday and just took the piss out of the whole the whole Ukrainian thing just no law no laws broken nothing impeachable I just used the dirty with standard I urge you wait for Dershowitz to tell you what this means in on this or other topics because he's the only freaking person on the whole planet who has a sufficient background who is willing to be honest he's the only one willing to try who also has you know all the legal credentials the the guy's become sort of a national treasure in the sense of sorting things out for us all right here Oh Howard Kurtz had what I think is one of the worst takes on the Ukrainian situation uh-huh so so Howard says Howard Kurtz and for context he's on Fox News and I don't identify him as being right or left so he's a media critic type so my observation is he tried he does try to play it as close as he could get to the middle woman one of the few people who actually tries to do that so I love the show by the way so Howard Kurtz is I'm a big fan of his but the following take on the transcript I think is one of the worst here's why what he noted was that when he read the transcript one of his takeaways was and sort of a test he would put on it to see how important it is he said and I quote but if you flipped the script the script if Barack Obama asked Ukraine in 2011 to help investigate one of the Mitt Romney's sons one of Mitt Romney sons Republicans would have gone nuclear now first of all that's true right we'd all agree that if the situation were reversed because we live in the political world and there's a big election coming up that if you reverse the facts the Republicans would be the ones you know going nuclear I think that's a fair statement just because we live in a political world but that has nothing to do with how important the actual event is that's that's a political statement it is politically true that the Republicans will go nuts if Democrats do something Democrats will go nuts if Republicans do something if you reverse in this situation the other one would go nuts that's true of every situation you can't think of any topic where you couldn't reverse it and the other side would go nuts so using the if I reversed at the other side we've got dots as any kind of a standard to reach a decision about how you should feel about it it just doesn't connect so I think you should reject the standard of how would you feel if this were reversed it's useful to tell you that you're being biased about it maybe that part's really good as an exercise for your own your own checking of your bias is really helpful to do so Howard Kurtz has a very helpful suggestion that indirectly in the sense that you should always reverse and say oh what would this look like if the other side we're doing it would I feel the same that's a good question to ask but it does it has nothing to do with whether it's impeachable has nothing to do with a brother it's illegal it has nothing to do with really how you should how you should see it because if you're trying to be unbiased it wouldn't matter what other people would think in other situations that's the least important thing I don't care what somebody else hypothetically would have thought and in a hypothetical situation I just care about this one alright apparently the President had has given alternate stories for why the money was held one of them was other countries we're not pulling their weight and helping Ukraine I think and I think that was also reinforcing the phone call so we judged that to be true than other countries are not pulling their weight and that it was an issue and they had been talking about it that would be a good reason to at least hold back the money a little bit just those sort of see maybe maybe maybe they put a little pressure on other people we don't know if that's the one reason and then another reason the president gave is that Ukraine is corrupt you needed to sort of feel out the new leader to see if this money is going to go into a corrupt or non corrupt hands and this guy seems to be a corruption fighter at least you know you just labeled that way so here's the thing does it matter that he gave two different stories for why he did it that doesn't strike me the same and again I'll use my you know what happens if the other side had two different stories for something would I feel differently and the answer is now here's the standard for you if somebody has two or three reasons for doing something they're probably all true sometimes you you're thinking about one sometimes you think that's the important one because if you were to say which is more important if the fact that other countries were not putting in the money not pulling their weight is that more important than the fact that you the Ukraine might have some corruption and the money not might not be not be used correctly well on any given day you might think you might reverse those if you're talking in public you might say yeah we're not gonna you know it's because the other countries aren't pulling the weight but you're trying to influence the other countries another time if you're maybe it's a press conference or something you might call out the corruption so whether this was a Democrat or a Republican I always give everybody two or three reasons if they make sense if any of those reasons are just ridiculous and you have to reassess but for big complicated situations having two or three good reasons while you're doing it and not exactly knowing how to rank them or which one to highlight first but that's just business as usual the one you want to watch out for is when there are 10 reasons I call that the laundry list if you see you know a whole list of reasons for anything a list of reasons why the president is really an alien from space or whatever once you get to a whole number they're probably all bad two or three is normal all right here is here is my take on that you haven't seen yet president zalenski of the Ukraine is a student of persuasion surprise well here are some pull quotes from the transcript you pay for this look for the pacing so pacing is where you agree and become the other person so watch him agree with and become Trump watch this this is a zalenski from the transcript you are absolutely you are absolutely right mr.

president see the pacing is already starting we did win big win big win big Lee win big win big Lee and we work hard for this one of the two things that Trump likes better than anything winning big and working hard energy and winning the two biggest things that Trump cares about this is Alinsky put it in one sentence and you say to yourself you say to yourself well Scott that might be a coincidence it might be a coincidence that in one sentence he's freakin nailing nailing it but is it wait did you hear what he said next he says this is still szalinski says we worked a lot but I would like to confess to you that I had an opportunity to learn from you so zalenski is saying he learned from President Trump then he says we use quite a few of your skills and knowledge and we're able to use it as an example to our elections yes it is true that these were unique elections so you see he's agreeing with everything the president saying and then these are amplifying we won big we work hard and we use your skills to do it now if you say it's just flattery you're operating the 2d world flattery works yeah there's no question the flattery is a thing and it works but he's this is this is nuclear flattery the flattery is almost a cover for the fact that these are these are pacing skills here's that a little bit later this is Lenski says in response to something the president said he says well yes to tell you the truth to tell you the truth that little statement is you just slip that in there to tell you the truth because you uncritically hear that as the truth is coming even though you haven't heard what it is yet we were trying to work hard because we see work hard again he keep saying work hard work hard work hard what does this president like better than hard work fricking nothing right except maybe money on ax but I mean he loves hard work and he says we're trying to work hard because we wanted to drain the swamp here in this country I am now of course he is a he was a corruption fighter that was what he was trying to brand himself so the the the the general statement of course you'd expect him to say but he uses the president's language drain the swamp remember he's not a Native American speaker this is alinsky isn't he's he's clever he's clever then the president says something and then zalenski responds he goes yes you were absolutely right not only a hundred percent but actually a thousand percent who who do you know that would go from a hundred percent right to a thousand percent right President Trump I don't know any other politician who would speak in that style the Zielinski is pacing the heck out of him I mean really really well this is good technique so the whole story that you've been watching is that Trump was pressuring zalenski here's the story you didn't watch the Lenski was giving it as good as he was getting this is a Lensky has some game and I didn't know that until I read the transcript zalenski is no idiot Lansky is learning and he is learning fast and it's working you've won the election so now listen to Trump the negotiator now I said before that you always want to send your your leader in to negotiate he's always negotiating even if he's not negotiating everything a leader does with another leader is negotiation even if they're not calling it that right let's let's agree we're adults it's all influence because even if they're just trying to be friends that's part of the negotiation so here's something that Trump says Trump says United States has been very good to Ukraine I wouldn't say that it's reciprocal necessarily because things are happening that are not good but the United States has been very good to Ukraine that's the the process of reciprocity right so the president is saying we've given you something meaning generally we're you know we're good to you creating a situation where on his own zalenski is supposed to be thinking oh I owe you one right now you're calling it mob talk I would call it just the president doing his job if the president doesn't talk like this with every leader every time he's not doing his job this this is exactly how he should be talking to every leader every time if if you're saying that there's something special about this conversation that I think you're missing some context this is how the president should talk with every leader foe or friend every time the the president should bring the entire weight of the office to every conversation with every leader the whole weight of the office he should not leave any of that home the whole weight and he's bringing it it's like a United States has been very good to you I don't see that comment back that is frickin exactly why he was elected all right let me be as clear as I can if we send a president into a meeting like this with any any major leader and he doesn't do this he doesn't create the situation that says we've been good to you let's see what you can do for us if he's not creating that feeling he's not doing his job you need another president one who knows how to how to walk into a room and own it president Truong knows how to walk into a room and own it now he's got the full weight of the office and the United States behind him and he brings it he brings the whole office every time because he's not dumb of course you bring the whole office you're bringing the whole bag every time why would you leave anything home all right here's some more listen through Solinsky do some more pacing so this is Lenski and that's transcript he says it turns out that even though logically the European Union should be our biggest partner with Ukraine but technically the United States is a much bigger partner than the European Union how much does Trump want to hear that he's better than the European Union and he goes on and now very grateful to you for that because the United States is doing quite a lot for Ukraine pacing pacing pacing much more than the European Union especially when we were talking about sanctions against the Russian Federation the United States is much better than the European Union all right so are you watching this dance so Trump comes into the dance he says the United States is doing way more than Ukraine is doing for us how do you counter that if you're that if you're just as persuasive as Trump what's a good counter to that a really good counter that that is Wow you're way better than the European Union because when you say you're way better than the European Union how does that Trump make Trump feel that he's good where he is that the current situation is good hey I like being better than the European Union and I love hearing Ukraine say it so zalenski in real time very cleverly created a new frame which is not the United States vs Ukraine who can be better to each other that was Trump's frame and it was the right frame to bring zalenski very quickly in real time turns it into the United States first the European Union and hey you're winning you're way better than the European Union this is really really good stuff if you can't see why is it less key won the election you're missing a good show and then szalinski says I would like to thank you for your great support in the area of defense we're ready to continue he says specifically we're almost ready to buy more javelins from the United States for defense purposes damn zalinsky just told the president that he would buy more military stuff if the president kept being good to Ukraine now he didn't say quid pro quo he didn't say qui RIT would pro quo but he did suggest that if the Ukraine has a lot of money to buy some military equipment that the president would be very happy if was what zalenski is giving as good as he's getting maybe better I mean he's got some serious game here all right Trump says the other thing the other thing so when he asked for a favor he was talking about the Crowd.

Strike stuff look into the crowd stray stuff but then later on he goes the other thing so you could you could reasonably say that this is part of the question about I need a favor here here's a lot to talk about Biden son the Biden's stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so he says a lot of people want to find out about that that's just true right a lot of people want to find out about that so so do whatever you can with the Attorney General Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecutions so if you can lock look into it he goes his sounds horrible to me now the counter to that if you haven't heard it is that the prosecutor was widely considered not effective and not fighting corruption so there were it seems there were good reasons that he was fired and that maybe Biden had had some good reasons for him to be fired that weren't necessarily family related but I don't know what they were so here's the thing is it fair to say that there were some uncertainty both with Trump and with all of us about what the Biden's we're doing over there there were right you you and I don't exactly know why it is the hunter Biden got paid so much other than it looks sketchy right wouldn't you like to know don't we all have a right to know shouldn't we know what was going on if Biden is leading in the polls in a matchup in the general election it's the most I would say if you were if you were to rank all the things that the president should be doing you could make an argument that should be first if you want to make a rank of all the things President Trump should do the highest priority to the lowest I would say close to the highest would be making sure that the guy who's leading in the polls to be President of the United States doesn't have what looks like an obvious conflict of interest with a major country that's connected to Russia how is that not the president's top priority given that you know we don't have a war going on that's a hot war right now and the economy's chugging along I would say that might have been the president's top priority even if when they look into it there's nothing there there might be nothing there but certainly looking into it it's got to be a top priority all right then Zaleski says I heard the prosecutor was treated very badly oh now this was still Trump saying Trump said I heard the prosecutor was treated very badly and he was a very fair prosecutor I guess that's not for to debate so good luck with everything and then the president says your economy is going to get better and better I predict you have a lot of assets it's a great country and he says he has many Ukrainian friends so there's the president he likes to paint that picture of everything's going to be good for you but it's also sort of suggested that they're good working with each other it might be part of it even though he doesn't state that it's just sort of the proximity to it that makes you think well there's something about this productive you know working with the United States and the fact that you're a great country something good can happen and then the Lensky throws in that on some trips the United States you stayed at Trump Tower I love that part this olanski just like tosses that in and I stay at Trump Tower what does that do concept of reciprocity you say to yourself that is such a trivial thing there is no way that the president of the United States is going to be influenced by one guy staying in his hotel he's a billionaire couldn't possibly matter now well somebody sega's flattery I don't know I wouldn't I wouldn't say that was flattery that when he threw in that he was staying at Trump Tower I would say that was closer to the concept of reciprocity I gave you something and here's the thing reciprocity doesn't require you to give the same amount so a salesperson will say hey can I send you some tickets to the show you know they're worth a few hundred bucks and you say yeah I can and then you pick that vendor over the other vendors for a multi-million dollar project so the concept of reciprocity does not does not require equal value I could give you a stick of gum for nothing just hey would you like some gum and you will automatically be tuned to being friendlier to anything that I need later it's how reciprocity works so that little comment I stayed at Trump Tower good stuff good stuff now I don't know who's advising him but I know he used to praise win big and I would be surprised if nobody on the Ukraine team read win big Lee just saying so I've got a run I've got somebody coming keep an eye out for szalinski on the world stage here's my prediction zalenski is going to be bigger than Ukraine zalenski is going to be bigger than Ukraine because of skill that's my prediction so that's all for today I got to go do some other stuff and I will talk to you later

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yeah there's some news that you can't

label any other way it's like well this

is stupid news so you probably all know

dave rubin from the rubin report i'll be

a I think I'm gonna be on this show

talking about my upcoming book in

several weeks but Dave Rubin for if

there's anybody here a dozen now Dave

Rubin he identifies as liberal as gay

and Jewish this is important to the

following story otherwise not important

but important to the following story he

was giving he was going to do a an event

with Maxime Bernier who I don't know

anything about but

maybe is a little controversial and it

was gonna be at Mohawk College and then

the local newspaper got into it and and

here's what they say about Dave Rubin

now remember Dave Rubin is a liberal gay

Jewish guy important to know before I

tell you what the local paper said he

was so this is the local paper you say

dave rubin is a far-right youtube

personality that parts right and a

significant part of a radicalization

process assuring people into the

neo-nazi movement are you effing kidding

me according to a recently published

study out of Cornell University which

analyzed 79 million comments and three

hundred out of the videos below blah now

do you believe the Dave Rubin is

recruiting people into the KK into the

neo-nazis that is the most insanely

stupid defamatory slanderous libelous I

don't know all those words sound like to

me it is so bad that is so bad I thought

I had it bad yeah

poor uh bill Polti I think he's on the

the periscope today you heard what

happened to him he tries to give away

money give away money he's trying to

like give away his own money and and

help other people become part of the

process of charity just try to create

some kind of virtuous energy toward

giving money what happened to Bill Paul

T for being a charitable good person

he got doxxed his wife is getting like

threatening calls on her cell phone

are you kidding me well what happened to

the world what happened now I'll give

you a little bit of an update on my

situation so you know was a John Cook I

can't remember his name but well I want

him to talk about my

just just say that I'm I'm pursuing some

action against somebody who's just as

bad but you know that story alright Bill

Gates has a special on Netflix or it's a

special on Netflix about Bill Gates I

think ace mind and Netflix this is

important

remember Netflix is the Obama kind of a

what do you call it a production company

so Obama is working with Netflix so

nobody would say Netflix is some

conservative of any kind of outlet right

it's clearly identified a little bit

more with the left and so Netflix

decides that the there one of the

portions that they're going to tweet out

to promote the Bill Gates show on

Netflix the Bill Gates it's one it's not

a show it's one one piece of content

called Bill Gates mind I think and they

tweeted out the part where Bill Gates is

saying that nuclear is the solution to

climate change I'm simplifying but

that's the sense of it now think about

that

there was Netflix this isn't some

far-right hey we like nuclear power it's

Netflix and it's Bill Gates and Netflix

has decided that what the world needs to

see cuz Netflix has a big footprint

right what the world needs to say is

that Bill Gates says that the new

technologies and new developments and

nuclear are going to be the way I think

that's that feels like a turning point

doesn't it because you've got Booker and

yang and Biden they're all pro-nuclear

and of course Republicans are almost all

pro-nuclear so I feel like climate

change is largely solved now by salt I

don't mean fixed I mean that the path to

fixing it is known it's possible not

just possible it's doable completely

doable so we know how to do it it's

completely practical we can get there

it's a lot of work but we know how to

get there

and here's the hard part the left and

the right largely agree now now that

what you're watching is the left

convincing itself so there are elements

of let's say the the political left who

are completely in agreement with the

right on this on how to save the world

and I don't think you would see this

much agreement except that the left that

the left has also scared themselves into

action so as as many people have pointed

out if if you're saying that climate

change is real in the sense that it's a

real near extinction risk so that's the

real part whether it's an extinction

level horrible cataclysmic future if you

believe that and you've scared your own

side into believing it suddenly the risk

of nuclear seems irrelevant because you

could actually let me put it in direct

terms you could lose two or three

nuclear plants you know just something

bad happens and it would still be

totally worth it even if you know a 10

or 20 mile piece of land wasn't usable

at some point still the cost-benefit

would be totally worth it now I

shouldn't have even said that because as

you know the risk for the new

technologies the other the most current

types of nuclear plants have never had

any kind of bad event zero never it's

only the older technologies that have

ever had a bad event so everybody's on

board now enough about that let's talk

about the everybody wants to talk about

Ukraine I've got an angle on Ukraine

that you haven't heard so you're gonna

be hearing all the same stories

everywhere but let me I'll get and it'll

take me a while to work into it here but

here's here's the first thing didn't we

elect President Trump to pressure other

leaders for things that we want am I

wrong that the reason Trump was elected

and indeed really that the job

description of the President

they should be pushing other leaders

isn't that exactly why we hired him so I

was rereading the the Ukrainian

transcript of the phone call transcript

if transcript dish because it's not

exact and what I saw was the president

who was using all the tools of his

office and all the tools of being you

know being the president basically and

he was he was building a persuasive you

know kind of a mode because he did

mention things such as you know

Ukraine's future could be great he did

mention you know and of course the

context is that there was some money out

there that was slated and had not even

been granted but let me ask you this

let's say there was no such thing as

president Trump but asking about Biden

let's say that never happened what do

you expect that Trump still would have

told his people to hold off on the money

to Ukraine until he talked to the leader

of Ukraine do you see it yet of course

he would because it's what he does every

time in every situation the most basic

thing that Trump does is if he's gonna

go talk to a foreign leader the first

thing you do is you stop that thing you

were gonna give him you talked to him

first let me put it in even more stark

terms if you give money to the foreign

leader before you talk to him you're a

idiot

am I wrong because the job of the

president is to persuade other leaders

I'm not wrong on that right we want him

to persuade England we want him to

persuade China we want him to persuade

France we want them to persuade Israel

that's what he's hired to do so if you

sent him into a conversation with a

foreign leader do you want to send him

him armed or unarmed armed every time

armed now you say to me but wait a

minute this conversation was not about

negotiating so if you took the Biden

part out there wasn't even any

anything to talk about it was just hey

congratulations for winning your

election right so you might say that

wasn't really a negotiation situation so

why without the Biden part why in the

world would he held back let me let me

give you the answer to that because he's

smart

that's why do you know why else you

would hold back that until you talk to

him because it makes it a treat when you

get it he would pair if he's smart which

is apparently he would pair the gift you

know the money that we'd promised the

actual giving of it with the

conversation wouldn't you try to pair

your conversation your first your first

impression with a very large gift of

course you would so every every reason

in the world supports the idea that he

should hold it until he has the

conversation you could take Biden man in

the whole story and it's exactly the

same he should not have given them the

money before he talked to him period now

part of it was he needs to get the

measure of the person because remember

there was some question about corruption

there was you know who knows what our

relationship with Ukraine will be

exactly until you get the new leader the

leaders have to size each other up

do you give somebody a whole bunch of

money before you size them up before you

see what what your deal is between

leader leader well if you do you're an

idiot you're an idiot

stopping the money until you have the

conversation is always the smartest

thing to do if you are in the most

powerful country in the world and every

conversation is persuasion because it is

it would have been perfectly reasonable

for the president to make it very clear

to this guy that he's the guy he's the

guy who determines if you get the money

not Congress let me ask you this when we

send our president overseas to negotiate

for us do you want him to go unarmed do

you want him to go into a conversation

with a foreign leader and the foreign

leader thinks I don't care about you

because Congress is the one who gave me

the money

Congress is the one that's

I need to worry about president do you

want to send the president on armed into

a conversation with another leader

no no what's the best thing the

president could do stop the money from

the Congress walk into the conversation

and make sure that whoever he's talking

to knows who controls the money then

he's armed then he can do his job more

effectively all right so take Biden out

of the question and you still if you're

smart you stop the money until the

conversation secondly there is something

extraordinarily brilliant in how the

Democrats are playing this and I don't

know that I've heard anybody say this

yet so this will be the maybe the first

time you've seen it you know I talked a

lot about making you think past the sale

so you've heard that from me a bunch of

times if you can say to somebody just if

this is the first time you've heard it a

car salesman would say well do you do

you like the red women to the blue one

you know how will this look into your

garage so he's making you think past the

decision of do you buy the car and make

you wrestle with the question of which

color is going to be that's a salesman's

trick to make you think past the

decision of buying as if you've already

bought it and think about what it looks

like in the future

there's a form of that not exactly the

same thing with this Ukraine transcript

and when I tell you you're gonna be mad

you give me mad because there's there's

something they've hidden in plain sight

here it's like there's a part of the

story that's just hiding and it's

because there's a trick and one one side

reveal the trick the thing they're

hiding will just go whoop and you're

gonna see it watch this and they're

making you think of whether it's

appropriate for the president to let's

say pressure another leader and whether

it's appropriate to offer some quid pro

quo that's the only conversation we're

having right all the conversation is

about whether the president's process

was appropriate what is the question we

haven't asked the

question nobody's asking is is it a fair

question if Biden is guilty it's a whole

different story right if if Biden was

actually guilty of something that's all

that matters

I mean that's that changes the whole

story because of course the president

should have asked about that how about

this CrowdStrike stuff that he also

asked about should the president have

asked about that yes so the the

Democrats were making us making the

world think past the question of think

past the issue of whether these are good

questions that a president should get

the answer to and they are good

questions that the president should get

an answer to here's the some of the

dumbest tanks I've seen them the story

on Twitter people saying well that's not

the president's job that's the FBI's job

to figure that stuff out well if that's

something you say if you're very

inexperienced if you have experience

working in big organizations you would

know that when the underlings try to

talk it's usually just a roadblock cuz

underling to underling that the

underling you're trying to get something

honorable say yes you know I'm a job I

don't have authority you know no reason

to work with you et cetera underling to

underling is rarely a productive path

and when that fails and maybe you try

that first but if it fails and it

probably did you move it up

- boss - boss and then when boss the

boss makes an agreement that something's

gonna happen

you tell your underlings and then they

can maybe communicate a little bit

better and get something done but those

people who say no it's the FBI you've

never worked in any kind of a large

organization underling - underlaying is

rarely a productive path so so it does

perfectly appropriate that the bosses

talk about that now

so anyway did you see the magic trick

y'all saw that right we're being made to

think past the sale of whether or not

the Biden thing has any meat to it the

whistle you know I introduced the idea

of two movies playing on one screen and

we've never seen

a better example than this people are

reading the same transcript and saying

completely different movies and I've

been trying to see the other one you

know sort of like a yani Laurel thing

where you squint and you see it see if

you can see the other movie on your

screen and I can't quite see it which

doesn't mean it's not there right you

can't really say the other movie is

wrong you could only say I can only see

mine now here's a little tip for

deciding what is real and what is not I

talk about this a lot but I want you to

apply it to this situation and it's the

how to tell who is hallucinating

hallucinations are generally additions

additions to a scene it's the

hallucinate arisia something that isn't

there so if you have two people looking

at the same data the same content to

same anything and one group says oh it's

here is here look at it can you read I

mean I'm ready it's right in front of me

and the other group who are also

legitimate you know ordinary adults are

looking at the same thing at the same

time and they go oh yeah I don't see it

well I don't see anything under those

conditions who do you bet on always

better than one who doesn't see it kind

of likewise if the two networks I like

to use Fox News and CNN but you could

substitute any left and right you know

Anna let's if one of them is reporting

the thing is true and the other is not

it's probably not right

Russia collusion CNN reports it's true

Fox News reports is not it's not the

ones who are seeing it we're seeing

confirmation bias the ones who didn't

see it were not affected by confirmation

bias because they were not inclined to

believe it was true so the people who

don't see a thing are far more likely to

be the ones who are right in the end you

want to try some more I'm gonna try some

some you don't like uranium one I

watched the uranium one

handle for months and months and months

from people saying it's a big old

scandal and I would listen to it and

even on the surface the way it was

reported I would say I don't see

anything I don't see anything there I

see all the right people signed off

I see no shortage of uranium in the

world that matters I see that the mind

involved was actually physically in the

United States so if we ever needed it we

could just take it I mean really we

could just take it if it was anything

like emergency need and sure enough

you've seen no prosecutions I just

sorted I didn't so use that use that

standard it is not a hundred percent

accurate but as far as I know I can't

think of a time in the at least in the

political sense that it hasn't worked

you can you could do some hind casting

with that and well it would be a little

bit hard for you to check because if you

hide and cast with that it's going to

tell you some of the things you do

believe are not real yeah the embassy

sonic weapon attack some people could

see it as clear as day I couldn't to me

to me that was completely non-existent

couldn't see a whiff of it and it looks

like it probably doesn't exist

all right here is so then the

whistleblowers report comes out and it

just turns out it's secondhand reporting

about something he heard in the meeting

on the transcript we've already seen so

I think I think this thing's falling

apart and then I heard about but I did

not see myself so I look for some

confirmation

I believe Alan Dershowitz was on

probably Fox News yesterday and just

took the piss out of the whole the whole

Ukrainian thing just no law no laws

broken nothing impeachable I just used

the dirty with standard I urge you wait

for Dershowitz to tell you what this

means in on this or other topics because

he's the only freaking person on the

whole planet who has a sufficient

background who is willing to be honest

he's the only one willing to try who

also has you know all the legal

credentials the the guy's become sort of

a national treasure in the sense of

sorting things out for us

all right here Oh Howard Kurtz had what

I think is one of the worst takes on the

Ukrainian situation uh-huh so so Howard

says Howard Kurtz and for context he's

on Fox News and I don't identify him as

being right or left so he's a media

critic type so my observation is he

tried he does try to play it as close as

he could get to the middle woman one of

the few people who actually tries to do

that so I love the show by the way so

Howard Kurtz is I'm a big fan of his but

the following take on the transcript I

think is one of the worst here's why

what he noted was that when he read the

transcript one of his takeaways was and

sort of a test he would put on it to see

how important it is he said and I quote

but if you flipped the script the script

if Barack Obama asked Ukraine in 2011 to

help investigate one of the Mitt

Romney's sons one of Mitt Romney sons

Republicans would have gone nuclear

now first of all that's true right we'd

all agree that if the situation were

reversed because we live in the

political world and there's a big

election coming up that if you reverse

the facts the Republicans would be the

ones you know going nuclear I think

that's a fair statement just because we

live in a political world but that has

nothing to do with how important the

actual event is that's that's a

political statement it is politically

true that the Republicans will go nuts

if Democrats do something

Democrats will go nuts if Republicans do

something

if you reverse in this situation the

other one would go nuts that's true of

every situation you can't think of any

topic where you couldn't reverse it and

the other side would go nuts so using

the if I reversed at the other side

we've got dots as any kind of a standard

to reach a decision about how you should

feel about it it just doesn't connect so

I think you should reject the standard

of how would you feel if this were

reversed it's useful to tell you that

you're being biased about it maybe that

part's really good as an exercise for

your own your own checking of your bias

is really helpful to do so Howard Kurtz

has a very helpful suggestion that

indirectly in the sense that you should

always reverse and say oh what would

this look like if the other side we're

doing it would I feel the same that's a

good question to ask but it does it has

nothing to do with whether it's

impeachable has nothing to do with a

brother it's illegal it has nothing to

do with really how you should how you

should see it because if you're trying

to be unbiased it wouldn't matter what

other people would think in other

situations that's the least important

thing I don't care what somebody else

hypothetically would have thought and in

a hypothetical situation I just care

about this one alright apparently the

President had has given alternate

stories for why the money was held one

of them was other countries we're not

pulling their weight and helping Ukraine

I think and I think that was also

reinforcing the phone call so we judged

that to be true than other countries are

not pulling their weight and that it was

an issue and they had been talking about

it that would be a good reason to at

least hold back the money a little bit

just those sort of see maybe maybe maybe

they put a little pressure on other

people we don't know if that's the one

reason and then another reason the

president gave is that Ukraine is

corrupt you needed to sort of feel out

the new leader to see if this money is

going to go into a corrupt or non

corrupt hands and this guy seems to be a

corruption fighter at least you know you

just labeled that way

so here's the thing does it matter that

he gave two different stories for why he

did it that doesn't strike me the same

and again I'll use my you know what

happens if the other side had two

different stories for something would I

feel differently and the answer is now

here's the standard for you if somebody

has two or three reasons for doing

something they're probably all true

sometimes you you're thinking about one

sometimes you think that's the important

one because if you were to say which is

more important if the fact that other

countries were not putting in the money

not pulling their weight is that more

important than the fact that you the

Ukraine might have some corruption and

the money not might not be not be used

correctly well on any given day you

might think you might reverse those if

you're talking in public you might say

yeah we're not gonna you know it's

because the other countries aren't

pulling the weight but you're trying to

influence the other countries another

time if you're maybe it's a press

conference or something you might call

out the corruption so whether this was a

Democrat or a Republican I always give

everybody two or three reasons if they

make sense if any of those reasons are

just ridiculous and you have to reassess

but for big complicated situations

having two or three good reasons while

you're doing it and not exactly knowing

how to rank them or which one to

highlight first but that's just business

as usual the one you want to watch out

for is when there are 10 reasons I call

that the laundry list if you see you

know a whole list of reasons for

anything a list of reasons why the

president is really an alien from space

or whatever once you get to a whole

number they're probably all bad two or

three is normal all right here is here

is my

take on that you haven't seen yet

president zalenski of the Ukraine is a

student of persuasion surprise well here

are some pull quotes from the transcript

you pay for this look for the pacing

so pacing is where you agree and become

the other person so watch him agree with

and become Trump watch this this is a

zalenski from the transcript you are

absolutely you are absolutely right mr.

president

see the pacing is already starting we

did win big win big win big Lee win big

win big Lee and we work hard for this

one of the two things that Trump likes

better than anything winning big and

working hard energy and winning the two

biggest things that Trump cares about

this is Alinsky put it in one sentence

and you say to yourself you say to

yourself well Scott that might be a

coincidence it might be a coincidence

that in one sentence he's freakin

nailing nailing it

but is it wait did you hear what he said

next he says this is still szalinski

says we worked a lot but I would like to

confess to you that I had an opportunity

to learn from you so zalenski is saying

he learned from President Trump then he

says we use quite a few of your skills

and knowledge and we're able to use it

as an example to our elections yes it is

true that these were unique elections so

you see he's agreeing with everything

the president saying and then these are

amplifying we won big we work hard and

we use your skills to do it now if you

say it's just flattery you're operating

the 2d world flattery works yeah there's

no question the flattery is a thing and

it works but he's this is this is

nuclear flattery the flattery is almost

a cover

for the fact that these are these are

pacing skills

here's that a little bit later

this is Lenski says in response to

something the president said he says

well yes to tell you the truth to tell

you the truth that little statement is

you just slip that in there to tell you

the truth because you uncritically hear

that as the truth is coming even though

you haven't heard what it is yet we were

trying to work hard because we see work

hard again he keep saying work hard work

hard work hard what does this president

like better than hard work fricking

nothing right

except maybe money on ax but I mean he

loves hard work and he says we're trying

to work hard because we wanted to drain

the swamp here in this country I am now

of course he is a he was a corruption

fighter that was what he was trying to

brand himself so the the the the general

statement of course you'd expect him to

say but he uses the president's language

drain the swamp remember he's not a

Native American speaker this is alinsky

isn't he's he's clever he's clever then

the president says something and then

zalenski responds he goes yes you were

absolutely right not only a hundred

percent but actually a thousand percent

who who do you know that would go from a

hundred percent right to a thousand

percent right President Trump I don't

know any other politician who would

speak in that style the Zielinski is

pacing the heck out of him I mean really

really well this is good technique so

the whole story that you've been

watching is that Trump was pressuring

zalenski

here's the story you didn't watch the

Lenski was giving it as good as he was

getting this is a Lensky has some game

and I didn't know that until I read the

transcript zalenski is no idiot

Lansky is learning and he is learning

fast and it's working you've won the

election so now listen to Trump the

negotiator now I said before that you

always want to send your your leader in

to negotiate he's always negotiating

even if he's not negotiating everything

a leader does with another leader is

negotiation even if they're not calling

it that right let's let's agree we're

adults it's all influence because even

if they're just trying to be friends

that's part of the negotiation so here's

something that Trump says Trump says

United States has been very good to

Ukraine I wouldn't say that it's

reciprocal necessarily because things

are happening that are not good but the

United States has been very good to

Ukraine that's the the process of

reciprocity right so the president is

saying we've given you something meaning

generally we're you know we're good to

you creating a situation where on his

own zalenski is supposed to be thinking

oh I owe you one

right now you're calling it mob talk I

would call it just the president doing

his job if the president doesn't talk

like this with every leader every time

he's not doing his job this this is

exactly how he should be talking to

every leader every time if if you're

saying that there's something special

about this conversation that I think

you're missing some context this is how

the president should talk with every

leader foe or friend every time the the

president should bring the entire weight

of the office to every conversation with

every leader the whole weight of the

office he should not leave any of that

home the whole weight and he's bringing

it it's like a United States has been

very good to you I don't see that

comment back that is frickin exactly why

he was elected all right let me be as

clear as I can if we send a president

into a meeting like this with any any

major leader and he doesn't do this

he doesn't create the situation that

says we've been good to you let's see

what you can do for us

if he's not creating that feeling he's

not doing his job

you need another president one who knows

how to how to walk into a room and own

it president Truong knows how to walk

into a room and own it now he's got the

full weight of the office and the United

States behind him and he brings it he

brings the whole office every time

because he's not dumb

of course you bring the whole office

you're bringing the whole bag every time

why would you leave anything home all

right here's some more listen through

Solinsky do some more pacing so this is

Lenski and that's transcript he says it

turns out that even though logically the

European Union should be our biggest

partner with Ukraine but technically the

United States is a much bigger partner

than the European Union

how much does Trump want to hear that

he's better than the European Union and

he goes on and now very grateful to you

for that because the United States is

doing quite a lot for Ukraine pacing

pacing pacing much more than the

European Union especially when we were

talking about sanctions against the

Russian Federation the United States is

much better than the European Union all

right so are you watching this dance so

Trump comes into the dance

he says the United States is doing way

more than Ukraine is doing for us how do

you counter that if you're that if

you're just as persuasive as Trump

what's a good counter to that a really

good counter that that is Wow

you're way better than the European

Union because when you say you're way

better than the European Union how does

that Trump make Trump feel that he's

good where he is that the current

situation is good hey I like being

better than the European Union and I

love hearing Ukraine say it so zalenski

in real time very cleverly created a new

frame which is not the United States vs

Ukraine who can be better to each other

that was Trump's frame and it was the

right frame to bring zalenski very

quickly in real time turns it into the

United States first

the European Union and hey you're

winning you're way better than the

European Union this is really really

good stuff

if you can't see why is it less key won

the election you're missing a good show

and then szalinski says I would like to

thank you for your great support in the

area of defense we're ready to continue

he says specifically we're almost ready

to buy more javelins from the United

States for defense purposes damn

zalinsky just told the president that he

would buy more military stuff if the

president kept being good to Ukraine now

he didn't say quid pro quo

he didn't say qui RIT would pro quo but

he did suggest that if the Ukraine has a

lot of money to buy some military

equipment that the president would be

very happy if was what zalenski is

giving as good as he's getting maybe

better I mean he's got some serious game

here all right

Trump says the other thing the other

thing so when he asked for a favor he

was talking about the CrowdStrike stuff

look into the crowd stray stuff but then

later on he goes the other thing so you

could you could reasonably say that this

is part of the question about I need a

favor here here's a lot to talk about

Biden son the Biden's stopped the

prosecution and a lot of people want to

find out about that so he says a lot of

people want to find out about that

that's just true right a lot of people

want to find out about that so so do

whatever you can with the Attorney

General Biden went around bragging that

he stopped the prosecutions so if you

can lock look into it he goes his sounds

horrible to me now the counter to that

if you haven't heard it is that the

prosecutor was widely considered not

effective and not fighting corruption so

there were it seems there were good

reasons that he was fired and that maybe

Biden had had some good reasons for him

to be fired that weren't necessarily

family related but I don't know what

they were

so here's the thing is it fair to say

that there were some uncertainty both

with Trump and with all of us about what

the Biden's we're doing over there there

were right you you and I don't exactly

know why it is the hunter Biden got paid

so much other than it looks sketchy

right wouldn't you like to know don't we

all have a right to know shouldn't we

know what was going on if Biden is

leading in the polls in a matchup in the

general election it's the most I would

say if you were if you were to rank all

the things that the president should be

doing you could make an argument that

should be first if you want to make a

rank of all the things President Trump

should do the highest priority to the

lowest I would say close to the highest

would be making sure that the guy who's

leading in the polls to be President of

the United States doesn't have what

looks like an obvious conflict of

interest with a major country that's

connected to Russia how is that not the

president's top priority given that you

know we don't have a war going on that's

a hot war right now and the economy's

chugging along I would say that might

have been the president's top priority

even if when they look into it there's

nothing there there might be nothing

there but certainly looking into it it's

got to be a top priority

all right then Zaleski says I heard the

prosecutor was treated very badly

oh now this was still Trump saying Trump

said I heard the prosecutor was treated

very badly and he was a very fair

prosecutor I guess that's not for to

debate so good luck with everything and

then the president says your economy is

going to get better and better I predict

you have a lot of assets it's a great

country and he says he has many

Ukrainian friends so there's the

president he likes to paint that picture

of everything's going to be good for you

but it's also sort of suggested that

they're good working with each other it

might be part of it even though he

doesn't state that it's just sort of the

proximity to it that makes you think

well there's something about this

productive you know working with the

United States and the fact that you're a

great country something good can happen

and then the Lensky throws in that on

some trips the United States you stayed

at Trump Tower I love that part this

olanski just like tosses that in and I

stay at Trump Tower what does that do

concept of reciprocity you say to

yourself that is such a trivial thing

there is no way that the president of

the United States is going to be

influenced by one guy staying in his

hotel he's a billionaire couldn't

possibly matter now well somebody sega's

flattery I don't know I wouldn't I

wouldn't say that was flattery that when

he threw in that he was staying at Trump

Tower I would say that was closer to the

concept of reciprocity I gave you

something and here's the thing

reciprocity doesn't require you to give

the same amount so a salesperson will

say hey can I send you some tickets to

the show you know they're worth a few

hundred bucks and you say yeah I can and

then you pick that vendor over the other

vendors for a multi-million dollar

project so the concept of reciprocity

does not does not require equal value I

could give you a stick of gum for

nothing just hey would you like some gum

and you will automatically be tuned to

being friendlier to anything that I need

later

it's how reciprocity works so that

little comment I stayed at Trump Tower

good stuff good stuff now I don't know

who's advising him but I know he used to

praise win big and I would be surprised

if nobody on the Ukraine team read win

big Lee just saying so I've got a run

I've got somebody coming keep an eye out

for szalinski on the world stage

here's my prediction zalenski is going

to be bigger than Ukraine zalenski is

going to be bigger than Ukraine because

of skill that's my prediction

so that's all for today I got to go do

some other stuff and I will talk to you

later