Episode 709 Scott Adams - Representative Matt Gaetz About Impeachment, Nuclear Power, Climate, More

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check to see if representative Matt Gaetz has joined us as a guest I have to do a little technical thing to add him on before that I wanted to give you a little background about why I want to talk to him in particular I have long pointed out that the two best communicators the most persuasive people on both sides of the political aisle who are not President Trump who sort of stands alone as a probably the greatest communicator we've ever had as the president not probably definitely the best communicator but of the younger generation I would say that ALC is the best communicator on the left and Matt Gaetz is by far the best communicator in the GOP and that's what interests us here when we talk about persuasion and communication especially in politics let me give you two examples example number one you all know about the controversy of Katie Hill and her private photographs were published and she had some interesting person life we don't need to get into I'm only aware of one Republican politician maybe there were more but I'm only aware of one who decided to tweet a supportive tweet about Katie Hill basically saying maybe maybe this isn't really the issue that we should be jumping on and if you think about it you took a position against revenge porn and it was so easy shouldn't everybody have taken that position but why didn't everybody do it just bad gates because he's the one who saw some free money sitting on the ground it's not only the high road it's it's exactly the opinion I agree with but it was just there and he got it and everybody else just walked right past it but there's even a better one today and I'll add Matt gates in a minute she's ready yet yeah he's ready to come on I'm gonna I'm gonna add you right now Matt Gaetz and in one moment we should be able to hear you representative Gaetz let me know when you've got audio on your side can you hear me yet our technology is cooking away you know it's the only thing you can't rely on this morning I got up and I didn't have Wi-Fi because probably the power was that was somewhere in the state all right it looks like that connection is still cooking and while that's doing that let me complete a representative Gaetz you good you're on I was just gonna give you one more compliment on your excellent Alyssa Milano tweet those who didn't see it so yesterday Alyssa Milano sort of gently mocked you by saying aren't you that fringe right Republican who supports weed and LGBTQ rights and now you're telling me you're at you've acted in two TV shows referring to an earlier tweet of yours you're one of those out of touch Hollywood elites snowflake so she makes this gentle kind of mocking tweet and your response to it was one of the best things I've seen you said will always have marijuana reform and LGBTQ rights Alyssa so what I love about this is Alyssa Milano has 3.7 million followers probably almost all on the Left who you just paste you just agreed with them on two of their biggest issues and they never would have heard of you or known that you hated them of that if you had not respond cleverly to her tweet this is why you this has many other reasons or why you're the best communicator in the GOP now of course you're also famous lately for leading the protest against the secret skiffs situation I have to ask you this question privately when you talk to Democrats about impeachment because you must have friends or Democrats that you just chat with casually do they ever laugh at how ridiculous the impeachment process is yes I think there are a lot of Democrats who could no longer defend remember Scot was two weeks ago Nancy Pelosi said that the concept of having a vote was just a Republican talking point then last week we ripened these issues of due process and now this week Nancy Pelosi is holding a vote on an impeachment inquiry and so I think she's doing that because of the feedback from her members that they could no longer defend a process that had no rules no boundaries no guardrails now there it's almost like there are two impeachment processes going on there's one of the people people like you who understand all the ins and outs in the details but then there's the public who really is completely lost in the details and it looks to me like the the Dems are playing this long con game in which they're trying to generate a lot of smoke this artificial smoke which will make the public think well I don't understand the issue but with all that smoke and all these votes and all these meetings and skips things there must be some substance there does it look like just a long con to you it does it looks like a long con sort of constructed by means of nanotechnology because you've got Democrats trying to take a policy disagreement about how to deal with the Ukraine and Russia then reshape and reorient the molecules into some sort of impeachable offense but you really have happening here is a lot of folks in the diplomatic corps who grew up in this post Cold War era where everything had to be about posting up against Russia that Russia was this great malign actor and that the only way to deal with them was through through deterrence through strengthening the Ukraine and there are a lot of people still in our government like ambassador Taylor like others who believe that this is the only acceptable principle now Donald Trump ran on a different ideology that we could actually work with Russia where we had aligned interests and that could reduce the need for the United States to have military presence everywhere in the world and frankly you see that starting to work out in in Syria and in Turkey where Russia is assisting in efforts to try to reduce some of the violence but nonetheless whether you agree with the president or not a policy disagreement about Russia and the Ukraine is not the basis for impeachment and so you've got a lot of these diplomatic corps career swamp you know oriented swap bathe to people who are trying to fashion their disagreement into a reason to undermine democracy and I think that is the fundamental point we got to make to the American people now there's a persuasion trick that the Democrats are using and so far I have not seen anybody on the GOP respond to it in a way I think is Right know what the thing that they continued to do and the pundits on their side do as well is they refer to the Ukraine phone call as quote digging for dirt on an opponent and then you saw that Colonel bin Minh testified that he didn't think the phone call was appropriate and he said it had nothing to do with national security and I'm watching this whole thing and I'm saying to myself if you've got a presidential candidate Biden who's leading in the polls to be the next president of the United States and there are some legitimate information in the public that there might be some conflict of interest something to look into and the president of United States looks into it isn't that exactly his job the president's job to make sure there's no potential for blackmail or foreign interference and isn't he doing something that's also his top priority which is protecting the election because if Biden got in and if he had some ties that would be a big problem not only with Ukraine but probably Russia would know what's going on why is it that the GOP is not framing it as actually doing his job and a top priority I think it's been hard for Republicans to centralize a message on this Ukraine sequel to the Russia hoax because we don't have the benefit of open hearings that that create the platform for us to all observe the facts and then get on the same page yeah in a way have to tip your hat to the Democrats their strategy of holding secret hearings leaking prepared opening statements and then requiring us you know four or five six hours later when we have a good point in cross-examination to try to explain that to people within the confines of the rules it really gives them a natural advantage and I think you know the way you described it would be more effect if you know one there was a court in the Ukraine that ruled that there was Ukrainian election interference in the United States when it came to the disclosure of man afford information well timed in a way to best help Hillary Clinton second point is that not only is that generally the president's job to make sure that we're not doling out cash or military assistance to people who aren't using it correctly or who may be engaged in corruption corruption as to Ukraine there is a specific element of the National Defense Authorization Act that requires the president to certify that before any aid is given to the Ukraine that it will not be subject to any corruption and that it will actually be used for its intended purpose and so time and again you have the reinforcement that this is the president's job and I think that the more that we point out that the president was legitimate in his thinking that maybe the son of the vice president shouldn't be out shaking people down for money and it is for access you know that's a dog they'll probably hunt working working people and so this leads me perfectly to your your protest some people are calling it a stunt because that's what the other the other side says when you do something that works it's a stunt and you turned this concept this this vague concept that there was an unfair process that the public wasn't quite understanding what's unfair about it why is it different but when you let the protest you turn that into a visual and you only own the headlines and I'm wondering it did you get any pushback from the Republicans when I assume you first suggested this did anybody say no no don't do this or were they completely on board well Scott I don't think it'll surprise you or your viewers to know that I am NOT the most popular person in the Republican Conference I'm not going to win many mr.

congeniality contests in my own conference because I push my conference I often think we we don't take the bad off of our shoulder enough when dealing with the radical left you know more broadly I think that on the right we have accepted this notion that we can win the battle of ideas but lose the fight for the soul of the country with the left because they fight a lot harder than we do cases and so I challenged my colleagues to be a part of this visual always in Washington people are complaining about process the right does at the left does it and it all becomes white noise I thought we needed to show the American people that this was something happening down a staircase in a basement behind lock double doors with red signs on them you know and that when members of Congress went in we were either gonna get in or the American people were gonna see you know 50 60 members of Congress representing millions of Americans pounding on a door to try to find out what was going on and in either of those cases I thought it would it would elevate these due process arguments beyond the normal tit-for-tat in Washington and and it's hard to argue with its effectiveness it was unorthodox admittedly but you know just last week Nancy Pelosi was continuing to have a process where they made the rules up as they went along now they're at least trying to create some sense of order with how they're organizing the remainder of their impeachment strategy but but it's noteworthy Scott that like they've got Adam Schiff doing this instead of the Judiciary Committee because Jim Jordan and myself and a few others on the Judiciary Committee worked him silly when they had the Muller hearings when they had the Lewandowski hearings remember that crazy day where they brought in John Dean like the ghost of Christmas past talk about you know what life was like in the 70s of Richard Nixon I mean think that that's pretty so Matt we're having a little bit of audio problem on your side I'm not sure if you can still hear me you know there you're kind of cutting in and out let me ask let me ask a new question and see if our audio clears up and in the meantime so first of all I want to point out the reason that I call out the representative Matt gates as one of the best communicators as you saw him describe this gif in such visual language that he took a concept turned it into a room and gave you the details in the room that is pure Trump level persuasion to take a concept border security and turn it into the wall I mean when you see anybody doing that you know you're dealing with somebody who knows how to communicate and a completely different level let me ask you about climate change and nuclear where are you on climate change is it real is it a hoax what's your basic idea and then I want to ask you about nuclear energy sure I believe that the earth is warming believe that humans contribute or I accepting those two premise would necessitate an adherence to the left yeah we have a little bit of audio problems here by the way we we always wonder if the social all right we're having a breakdown of audio here I can I can tell you that my my yeah I can hear you you're cutting out a little bit but the we always suspect that the platform is intentionally muting some voices that are important so it could be a coincidence could be but so you are pro-nuclear because the nuclear solution is the only well it's the only practical smart thing to do but I would but would you agree we should also be pushing solar and other green energies at the same time oops I lost you let's see if I can add you back mmm no possibly not try it one more time there you are well I had you back and see if that works are you back yes so I think we lost you when you were saying you did think the earth is warming but that the solutions were maybe not optimal and maybe they should include nuclear did I summarized that right you did Scott I don't believe that the answer to climate change is to unilaterally disarm the American economy and ship overseas every pollution causing job I think that the better answer is to have a more a more inclusive technology doctrine in our country that would include way more nuclear way more hydropower way more solar and the best way to achieve that is not by turning the government into a venture capitalist but instead limiting some of the regulations that impair nuclear access and hydro access and then having the right trade policies and intellectual property policies so that American solar dominates like we used to and we don't get ripped off by China now do you know offhand I'm not sure if you would know this but do you know if President Trump has ever had a private conversation with Bill Gates to get up to speed on just how good the opportunity is for the generation for nuclear that doesn't melt down and also eats other nuclear waste for its fuel does the president understand that we're right on the cusp of nuclear going from something that was designed by literally slide rulers the ones in this country to supercomputers and it's really not the same technology fundamentally does he understand that do you think I'm sorry Scott can you rephrase that I lost you a second there oh do you think the president understands what Bill Gates would tell him if he talked to him in person that the new generation for nuclear is not only designed to be safe from meltdown by design it can't meltdown but also some designs can eat nuclear waste that exists therefore decreasing the amount of nuclear waste in the world do you think the president's up to speed on just how good the opportunity is oh I lost him again this is just the those of you who have watched me before know that we've never had this much trouble on a call and to imagine that this is a coincidence is a stretch all right it looks like we're not going to be able to get him back but representative Gaetz thank you very much I know actually that you needed to go just about now anyway so thank you for spending time with us and much appreciated the final thing I wanted to say when we got cut off is just to make sure that President Trump is up to speed on the new developments with nuclear energy generation four in particular because I think he could be a great advocate for it and also the the issue of climate change he doesn't need to decide if it's real or a hoax because nuclear energy would be the right solution under every scenario and I hope that message gets to him all right we we are left asking ourselves is it a coincidence that the one time we have technological problems would be the one time that the most effective Republican voice was on this platform coincidence it could be my next set of questions were what should we do about social media platforms having bias so that was kind of bad timing all right there's a Democrat named Jeff Andrew who said he hasn't seen anything impeachable yet about President Trump or any of the Ukraine stuff now what does it mean when there's at least one Democrat who says I'm looking at the same stuff you're looking at I don't see anything what does that mean it means it's not there if if you have a situation where everybody's looking at the same thing and you've got one Democrat who says I'm right here looking at the same stuff you are don't see anything you can almost always guarantee that there's there's actually nothing there so I wanted to kind of emphasize that point I made earlier with representative Gaetz that the this is really clever long con game by the Democrats and it's really effective and I'm pretty sure that the general public has decided that there's something impeachable going on that they don't quite understand at any kind of a legal political level and so that allows them to read their own preferences into the story and what I mean by that is you know there are some people were saying well everybody's talking about impeachment it must be because and then they'll fill in their own reason because of Russian collusion which didn't happen or because of he's the border security or kids in cages whatever it is so it's quite brilliant what the play that they're running but I have to think that they want to they need to go right to the edge but they can't actually do an impeachment process because it would lay bare that they don't have anything there so we'll see how they play that all right I want to thank you all for helping get Matt gates on here just to remind you if anybody's new on here prior to the interview a few days before the interview I said that I wanted you all to follow him on Twitter representative Gaetz as a way to get his attention and show that there's there are enough people here that there's some scale and it would be worth his time to spend 15 minutes with us which he did I think we got about 10,000 new followers for him in a couple of days and I'm thinking that this might be a new model so what I'd like to suggest is that there might be some other opportunities where I could ask you to do the same thing and you don't have to follow people forever but you can certainly get their attention by following them all on the same day anybody's going to notice if their Twitter account goes up by 10,000 users in 24 hours and that should be enough for us to get some really interesting guests on here in the future it worked once maybe it'll work again I think you noticed that I put on my good shirt and so thank you seriously I was actually spending time in my closet looking at my shirts and I was thinking I'm talking to ya a representatives offer our government I'd better put it on a collar so he actually caused me to put on a nicer shirt there you go again one of the Trump children on it's funny to call them children but I know what you mean yeah maybe they would they're all interesting everybody the Trump family is interesting if you notice that there are no boring members of the entire Trump family including you know people who married into the family they're just all interesting have you noticed that sort of a yeah sort of an interesting coincidence all right put his link again are you talking about Matt Gaetz yeah just look for ma TT g AE TZ just search for him on Twitter and you'll see he's got two Twitter accounts one looks like the official one one looks like more of a personal one I think he uses them both anyway my book loser think is available for order now and delivery November 5th which is next week right so if you want to order now for delivery next week you would be ahead of the crowd I have to tell you that I think loser think is going to move the dial a little bit I've introduced a number of examples of how not to think in there and I think they're sticky you've already seen that the number of people who say stuff like hey your mind-reading now or your word thinking so there are a number of Defense's that I've built into the book so if you find somebody who's in a mental bubble maybe you can help him out and if you're in a mental bubble maybe you can get out Oh Brad parse Cal he would be near the top of my list of guests that I'd like to talk to let me think about that one I like to tie the guests to the news a little bit at least a little bit put on Alyssa Milano I would love that actually paid I've said before that I I might have more respect for Alyssa Milano than most people on the left because number one I don't think she's operating purely politically it looks like she believes what she's saying and also she's very effective and she's not just the tourist she's she's putting serious energy and reputation and you know it can't be easy she's taking a lot of abuse so I I have a little on respect for Alyssa Milano as a citizen who's trying to make the world better you can disagree on her but you have to love I think you have to love the spirit the energy the you know the the positive intention anyway I mean all of that looks like good stuff all right is there anything else happening I mean all we're talking about is Oh Joe Biden made another hilarious persuasion mistake today so I guess it was national dog day and Joe Biden does a picture of himself sitting on a bench with a wall behind him so it's an indoor bench but it looks like an outdoor bench but somewhere indoors with a wall behind him and he's got sort of a German Shepherd looking dog in front of him and he's saying it's national dog day and their president Trump didn't say anything about national cat day or national dog day and that should tell you something about Trump at the same time the President Trump his pinned tweet the most important tweet is the hero dog the president's talked more about dogs in the last 24 hours than he's talked about people and Joe Biden is like he didn't say anything about national dog day do you know how important national dog day as to the fate of the Republic not a lot not a lot but anyway here's the funny part so Biden does this photo with the dog that reminds us because that is fresh in her head the dog reminds us of the hero dog now you might say to yourself hey that was intentional he got a hero dog to you know gain from the association but what it looks like to me is that hero dog chased Biden to the to a dead end and wondered why his suicide vest never went off so when I look at it I don't think I don't think to myself I just got a message from representative Gaetz staff they have some Wi-Fi problems on their end but you know if you're listening to me now probably not you probably would have to do something else but the Wi-Fi is probably not the problem it might be the platform we don't know anyway Biden does a picture where it looks like he looks like al Baghdady who's just been trapped by the Euro dog and I'm thinking to myself the poor guy has no advisors who have any idea about how to do visual persuasion they don't understand the internet they don't even understand the orientation to hold your camera when you're taking a video try this not this so watching Biden decompose right in front of us at first you know if you've been watching my periscopes you know that I at first I was let's go easy on Biden there's clearly age has gotten the better of him and we don't wanna you know we don't want to dunk on somebody who's who's really served their country and you know we should give him a respectful you know final phase but the longer he stays in the race I don't know you can't not treat him like a target because a President Biden would be one of the worst things that ever happened to this country not because of his politics but because I don't think he's mentally up to the job you know and I think that's obvious to most people now so he'll run out of money soon I want to emphasize a suggestion I heard from Greg Gutfeld on the 5:00 yesterday I think it was Greg he suggested that maybe president Trump adopt a dog and it should be the hero dog is that the best idea you've ever heard seriously have you ever heard an idea that was better than president adopting the hero dog as the white house dog now I don't know if it's possible and I don't even know if it's safe because I don't know what the deal is with military dogs are they always safe they must be safe enough because they do later get retired to civilian homes but you know I don't know enough about that situation to be sure but think of the optics think of the optics of President Trump adopting the hero dog and wait there's a better part I haven't even told you the best part because it would give the hero dog permanent permanent security the way to protect the hero dog is to make sure that the hero dog has Secret Service protection because he's part of the White House how much would you love knowing that nobody could ever get to the hero dog and hurt it because it's now part of the White House and can never be harmed because there's just a ring of secret service because even after after the president leaves office whenever that is he still gets Secret Service protection which means that the hero dog would have Secret Service protection and it gets better I haven't even gotten to the best part yet imagine the movie in which you know somebody attacks the White House and the hero dog saves as a president now I don't think anybody's going to attack the White House in such a way that the hero dog wouldn't need to salt it would need to jump into action but if you were ever going to write a movie there was a popular movie hero dog in the White House I'm sorry it's a movie it's a perfect movie the hero dog retires to the White House hopes to live on its days in peace but the terrorists attack and the humans can't handle it it's all left to the hero dog the only one who can save the president and he does what a movie best movie ever all right I don't have much else today so I'm gonna I'm going to end here and thanks again to representative Matt Gaetz I know technology was not our friend today but I very much appreciate you stopping by and we will talk to you all later

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before I check to see if representative

Matt Gaetz has joined us as a guest I

have to do a little technical thing to

add him on before that I wanted to give

you a little background about why I want

to talk to him in particular I have long

pointed out that the two best

communicators the most persuasive people

on both sides of the political aisle who

are not President Trump who sort of

stands alone as a probably the greatest

communicator we've ever had as the

president not probably definitely the

best communicator but of the younger

generation I would say that ALC is the

best communicator on the left and Matt

Gaetz

is by far the best communicator in the

GOP and that's what interests us here

when we talk about persuasion and

communication especially in politics let

me give you two examples example number

one you all know about the controversy

of Katie Hill and her private

photographs were published and she had

some interesting person life we don't

need to get into I'm only aware of one

Republican politician maybe there were

more but I'm only aware of one who

decided to tweet a supportive tweet

about Katie Hill

basically saying maybe maybe this isn't

really the issue that we should be

jumping on and if you think about it you

took a position against revenge porn and

it was so easy

shouldn't everybody have taken that

position but why didn't everybody do it

just bad gates because he's the one who

saw some free money sitting on the

ground it's not only the high road it's

it's exactly the opinion I agree with

but it was just there and he got it and

everybody else just walked right past it

but there's even a better one today and

I'll add Matt gates in a minute

she's ready yet yeah he's ready to come

on I'm gonna I'm gonna add you right now

Matt Gaetz and in one moment we should

be able to hear you representative Gaetz

let me know when you've got audio on

your side can you hear me yet

our technology is cooking away you know

it's the only thing you can't rely on

this morning I got up and I didn't have

Wi-Fi because probably the power was

that was somewhere in the state all

right it looks like that connection is

still cooking and while that's doing

that let me complete a representative

Gaetz you good you're on I was just

gonna give you one more compliment on

your excellent Alyssa Milano tweet those

who didn't see it

so yesterday Alyssa Milano sort of

gently mocked you by saying aren't you

that fringe right Republican who

supports weed and LGBTQ rights and now

you're telling me you're at you've acted

in two TV shows referring to an earlier

tweet of yours you're one of those out

of touch Hollywood elites snowflake so

she makes this gentle kind of mocking

tweet and your response to it was one of

the best things I've seen you said will

always have marijuana reform and LGBTQ

rights Alyssa so what I love about this

is Alyssa Milano has 3.7 million

followers probably almost all on the

Left who you just paste you just agreed

with them on two of their biggest issues

and they never would have heard of you

or known that you hated them of that if

you had not respond cleverly to her

tweet this is why you this has many

other reasons or why you're the best

communicator in the GOP now of course

you're also famous lately for leading

the protest against the secret skiffs

situation I have to ask you this

question privately when you talk to

Democrats about impeachment because you

must have friends or Democrats that you

just chat with casually do they ever

laugh at how ridiculous the impeachment

process is yes I think there are a lot

of Democrats who could no longer defend

remember Scot was two weeks ago Nancy

Pelosi said that the concept of having a

vote was just a Republican talking point

then last week we ripened these issues

of due process and now this week Nancy

Pelosi is holding a vote on an

impeachment inquiry and so I think she's

doing that because of the feedback from

her members that they could no longer

defend a process that had no rules no

boundaries no guardrails now there it's

almost like there are two impeachment

processes going on there's one of the

people people like you who understand

all the ins and outs in the details but

then there's the public who really is

completely lost in the details and it

looks to me like the the Dems are

playing this long con game in which

they're trying to generate a lot of

smoke this artificial smoke which will

make the public think well I don't

understand the issue but with all that

smoke and all these votes and all these

meetings and skips things there must be

some substance there does it look like

just a long con to you it does it looks

like a long con sort of constructed by

means of nanotechnology because you've

got Democrats trying to take a policy

disagreement about how to deal with the

Ukraine and Russia then reshape and

reorient the molecules into some sort of

impeachable offense but you really have

happening here is a lot of folks in the

diplomatic corps who grew up in this

post Cold War era where everything had

to be about posting up against Russia

that Russia was this great malign actor

and that the only way to deal with them

was through through deterrence through

strengthening the Ukraine and there are

a lot of people still in our government

like ambassador Taylor like others who

believe that this is the only acceptable

principle now Donald Trump ran on a

different ideology that we could

actually work with Russia where we had

aligned interests and that could reduce

the need for the United States to have

military presence everywhere in the

world and frankly you see that starting

to work out in in Syria and in Turkey

where Russia is assisting in efforts to

try to reduce some of the violence but

nonetheless whether you agree with the

president or not a policy disagreement

about Russia and the Ukraine is not the

basis for impeachment and so you've got

a lot of these

diplomatic corps career swamp you know

oriented swap bathe to people who are

trying to fashion their disagreement

into a reason to undermine democracy and

I think that is the fundamental point we

got to make to the American people now

there's a persuasion trick that the

Democrats are using and so far I have

not seen anybody on the GOP respond to

it in a way I think is Right know what

the thing that they continued to do and

the pundits on their side do as well is

they refer to the Ukraine phone call as

quote digging for dirt on an opponent

and then you saw that Colonel bin Minh

testified that he didn't think the phone

call was appropriate and he said it had

nothing to do with national security and

I'm watching this whole thing and I'm

saying to myself if you've got a

presidential candidate Biden who's

leading in the polls to be the next

president of the United States and there

are some legitimate information in the

public that there might be some conflict

of interest something to look into

and the president of United States looks

into it isn't that exactly his job the

president's job to make sure there's no

potential for blackmail or foreign

interference and isn't he doing

something that's also his top priority

which is protecting the election because

if Biden got in and if he had some ties

that would be a big problem not only

with Ukraine but probably Russia would

know what's going on why is it that the

GOP is not framing it as actually doing

his job and a top priority I think it's

been hard for Republicans to centralize

a message on this Ukraine sequel to the

Russia hoax because we don't have the

benefit of open hearings that that

create the platform for us to all

observe the facts and then get on the

same page yeah in a way have to tip your

hat to the Democrats their strategy of

holding secret hearings leaking prepared

opening statements and then requiring us

you know four or five six hours later

when we have a good point in

cross-examination to try to explain that

to people within the confines of the

rules it really gives them a natural

advantage and I think you know the way

you described it would be more effect

if you know one there was a court in the

Ukraine that ruled that there was

Ukrainian election interference in the

United States when it came to the

disclosure of man afford information

well timed in a way to best help Hillary

Clinton second point is that not only is

that generally the president's job to

make sure that we're not doling out cash

or military assistance to people who

aren't using it correctly or who may be

engaged in corruption corruption as to

Ukraine there is a specific element of

the National Defense Authorization Act

that requires the president to certify

that before any aid is given to the

Ukraine that it will not be subject to

any corruption and that it will actually

be used for its intended purpose and so

time and again you have the

reinforcement that this is the

president's job and I think that the

more that we point out that the

president was legitimate in his thinking

that maybe the son of the vice president

shouldn't be out shaking people down for

money and it is for access you know

that's a dog they'll probably hunt

working working people and so this leads

me perfectly to your your protest some

people are calling it a stunt because

that's what the other the other side

says when you do something that works

it's a stunt and you turned this concept

this this vague concept that there was

an unfair process that the public wasn't

quite understanding what's unfair about

it why is it different but when you let

the protest you turn that into a visual

and you only own the headlines and I'm

wondering it did you get any pushback

from the Republicans when I assume you

first suggested this did anybody say no

no don't do this

or were they completely on board well

Scott I don't think it'll surprise you

or your viewers to know that I am NOT

the most popular person in the

Republican Conference I'm not going to

win many mr. congeniality contests in my

own conference because I push my

conference I often think we we don't

take the bad off of our shoulder enough

when dealing with the radical left you

know more broadly I think that on the

right we have accepted this notion that

we can win the battle of ideas but lose

the fight for the soul of the country

with the left because they fight a lot

harder than we do

cases and so I challenged my colleagues

to be a part of this visual always in

Washington people are complaining about

process the right does at the left does

it and it all becomes white noise I

thought we needed to show the American

people that this was something happening

down a staircase in a basement behind

lock double doors with red signs on them

you know and that when members of

Congress went in we were either gonna

get in or the American people were gonna

see you know 50 60 members of Congress

representing millions of Americans

pounding on a door to try to find out

what was going on and in either of those

cases I thought it would it would

elevate these due process arguments

beyond the normal tit-for-tat in

Washington and and it's hard to argue

with its effectiveness it was unorthodox

admittedly but you know just last week

Nancy Pelosi was continuing to have a

process where they made the rules up as

they went along now they're at least

trying to create some sense of order

with how they're organizing the

remainder of their impeachment strategy

but but it's noteworthy Scott that like

they've got Adam Schiff doing this

instead of the Judiciary Committee

because Jim Jordan and myself and a few

others on the Judiciary Committee worked

him silly when they had the Muller

hearings when they had the Lewandowski

hearings remember that crazy day where

they brought in John Dean like the ghost

of Christmas past

talk about you know what life was like

in the 70s of Richard Nixon I mean

think that that's pretty

so Matt we're having a little bit of

audio problem on your side I'm not sure

if you can still hear me you know there

you're kind of cutting in and out let me

ask let me ask a new question and see if

our audio clears up and in the meantime

so first of all I want to point out the

reason that I call out the

representative Matt gates as one of the

best communicators as you saw him

describe this gif in such visual

language that he took a concept turned

it into a room and gave you the details

in the room that is pure Trump level

persuasion to take a concept border

security and turn it into the wall I

mean when you see anybody doing that you

know you're dealing with somebody who

knows how to communicate and a

completely different level let me ask

you about climate change and nuclear

where are you on climate change is it

real is it a hoax what's your basic idea

and then I want to ask you about nuclear

energy sure I believe that the earth is

warming believe that humans contribute

or I accepting those two premise would

necessitate an adherence to the left

yeah we have a little bit of audio

problems here by the way we we always

wonder if the social

all right we're having a breakdown of

audio here I can I can tell you that my

my yeah I can hear you you're cutting

out a little bit but the we always

suspect that the platform is

intentionally muting some voices that

are important so it could be a

coincidence

could be but so you are pro-nuclear

because the nuclear solution is the only

well it's the only practical smart thing

to do but I would but would you agree we

should also be pushing solar and other

green energies at the same time oops I

lost you let's see if I can add you back

mmm

no possibly not try it one more time

there you are

well I had you back and see if that

works are you back yes

so I think we lost you when you were

saying you did think the earth is

warming but that the solutions were

maybe not optimal and maybe they should

include nuclear did I summarized that

right you did Scott I don't believe that

the answer to climate change is to

unilaterally disarm the American economy

and ship overseas every pollution

causing job I think that the better

answer is to have a more a more

inclusive technology doctrine in our

country that would include way more

nuclear way more hydropower way more

solar and the best way to achieve that

is not by turning the government into a

venture capitalist but instead limiting

some of the regulations that impair

nuclear access and hydro access and then

having the right trade policies and

intellectual property policies so that

American solar dominates like we used to

and we don't get ripped off by China now

do you know offhand I'm not sure if you

would know this but do you know if

President Trump has ever had a private

conversation with Bill Gates to get up

to speed on just how good the

opportunity is for the generation for

nuclear that doesn't melt down and also

eats other nuclear waste for its fuel

does the

president understand that we're right on

the cusp of nuclear going from something

that was designed by literally slide

rulers the ones in this country to

supercomputers and it's really not the

same technology fundamentally does he

understand that do you think I'm sorry

Scott can you rephrase that I lost you a

second there oh do you think the

president understands what Bill Gates

would tell him if he talked to him in

person that the new generation for

nuclear is not only designed to be safe

from meltdown by design it can't

meltdown but also some designs can eat

nuclear waste that exists therefore

decreasing the amount of nuclear waste

in the world do you think the

president's up to speed on just how good

the opportunity is

oh I lost him again this is just

the those of you who have watched me

before know that we've never had this

much trouble on a call and to imagine

that this is a coincidence is a stretch

all right it looks like we're not going

to be able to get him back but

representative Gaetz thank you very much

I know actually that you needed to go

just about now anyway

so thank you for spending time with us

and much appreciated the final thing I

wanted to say when we got cut off

is just to make sure that President

Trump is up to speed on the new

developments with nuclear energy

generation four in particular because I

think he could be a great advocate for

it and also the the issue of climate

change he doesn't need to decide if it's

real or a hoax because nuclear energy

would be the right solution under every

scenario and I hope that message gets to

him all right we we are left asking

ourselves is it a coincidence that the

one time we have technological problems

would be the one time that the most

effective Republican voice was on this

platform

coincidence it could be my next set of

questions were what should we do about

social media platforms having bias so

that was kind of bad timing all right

there's a Democrat named Jeff Andrew who

said he hasn't seen anything impeachable

yet about President Trump or any of the

Ukraine stuff now what does it mean when

there's at least one Democrat who says

I'm looking at the same stuff you're

looking at I don't see anything what

does that mean it means it's not there

if if you have a situation where

everybody's looking at the same thing

and you've got one Democrat who says I'm

right here looking at the same stuff you

are don't see anything you can almost

always guarantee that there's there's

actually nothing there so I wanted to

kind of emphasize that point I made

earlier with representative Gaetz that

the this is really clever long con game

by the Democrats and it's really

effective and I'm pretty sure that the

general public has decided that there's

something impeachable going on that they

don't quite understand at any kind of a

legal political level and so that allows

them to read their own preferences into

the story and what I mean by that is you

know there are some people were saying

well everybody's talking about

impeachment it must be because and then

they'll fill in their own reason because

of Russian collusion which didn't happen

or because of he's the border security

or kids in cages whatever it is so it's

quite brilliant what the play that

they're running but I have to think that

they want to they need to go right to

the edge but they can't actually do an

impeachment process because it would lay

bare that they don't have anything there

so we'll see how they play that all

right I want to thank you all for

helping get Matt gates on here just to

remind you if anybody's new on here

prior to the interview a few days before

the interview I said that I wanted you

all to follow him on Twitter

representative Gaetz as a way to get his

attention and show that there's there

are enough people here that there's some

scale and it would be worth his time to

spend 15 minutes with us which he did I

think we got about 10,000 new followers

for him in a couple of days and I'm

thinking that this might be a new model

so what I'd like to suggest is that

there might be some other opportunities

where I could ask you to do the same

thing and you don't have to follow

people forever but you can certainly get

their attention by following them all on

the same day anybody's going to notice

if their Twitter account goes up by

10,000 users in 24 hours and that should

be enough for us to get some really

interesting guests on here in the future

it worked once maybe it'll work again I

think you noticed that I put on my good

shirt and so thank you seriously I was

actually spending time in my closet

looking at my shirts and I was thinking

I'm talking to ya a representatives

offer our government I'd better put it

on a collar so he actually caused me to

put on a nicer shirt there you go again

one of the Trump children on it's funny

to call them children but I know what

you mean yeah maybe they would they're

all interesting everybody the Trump

family is interesting if you notice that

there are no boring members of the

entire Trump family including you know

people who married into the family

they're just all interesting have you

noticed that sort of a

yeah sort of an interesting coincidence

all right

put his link again are you talking about

Matt Gaetz yeah just look for ma TT g AE

TZ

just search for him on Twitter and

you'll see he's got two Twitter accounts

one looks like the official one one

looks like more of a personal one I

think he uses them both anyway my book

loser think is available for order now

and delivery November 5th which is next

week right so if you want to order now

for delivery next week you would be

ahead of the crowd I have to tell you

that I think loser think is going to

move the dial a little bit I've

introduced a number of examples of how

not to think in there and I think

they're sticky you've already seen that

the number of people who say stuff like

hey your mind-reading now or your word

thinking so there are a number of

Defense's that I've built into the book

so if you find somebody who's in a

mental bubble maybe you can help him out

and if you're in a mental bubble maybe

you can get out Oh Brad parse Cal he

would be near the top of my list of

guests that I'd like to talk to let me

think about that one I like to tie the

guests to the news a little bit at least

a little bit put on Alyssa Milano I

would love that actually paid I've said

before that I I might have more respect

for Alyssa Milano

than most people on the left because

number one I don't think she's operating

purely politically it looks like she

believes what she's saying and also

she's very effective and she's not just

the tourist she's she's putting serious

energy and reputation and you know it

can't be easy

she's taking a lot of abuse so I I have

a little on respect for Alyssa Milano as

a citizen who's trying to make the world

better you can disagree on her

but you have to love I think you have to

love the spirit the energy the you know

the the positive intention anyway I mean

all of that looks like good stuff all

right

is there anything else happening I mean

all we're talking about is Oh Joe Biden

made another hilarious persuasion

mistake today so I guess it was national

dog day and Joe Biden does a picture of

himself sitting on a bench with a wall

behind him so it's an indoor bench but

it looks like an outdoor bench but

somewhere indoors with a wall behind him

and he's got sort of a German Shepherd

looking dog in front of him and he's

saying it's national dog day and their

president Trump didn't say anything

about national cat day or national dog

day and that should tell you something

about Trump at the same time the

President Trump his pinned tweet the

most important tweet is the hero dog the

president's talked more about dogs in

the last 24 hours than he's talked about

people and Joe Biden is like he didn't

say anything about national dog day do

you know how important national dog day

as to the fate of the Republic not a lot

not a lot but anyway here's the funny

part

so Biden does this photo with the dog

that reminds us because that is fresh in

her head the dog reminds us of the hero

dog now you might say to yourself hey

that was intentional

he got a hero dog to you know gain from

the association but what it looks like

to me is that hero dog chased Biden to

the to a dead end and wondered why his

suicide vest never went off so when I

look at it I don't think I don't think

to myself

I just got a message from representative

Gaetz staff they have some Wi-Fi

problems on their end but you know if

you're listening to me now probably not

you probably would have to do something

else but the Wi-Fi is probably not the

problem

it might be the platform we don't know

anyway Biden does a picture where it

looks like he looks like al Baghdady

who's just been trapped by the Euro dog

and I'm thinking to myself the poor guy

has no advisors who have any idea about

how to do visual persuasion they don't

understand the internet they don't even

understand the orientation to hold your

camera when you're taking a video try

this not this so watching Biden

decompose right in front of us at first

you know if you've been watching my

periscopes you know that I at first I

was let's go easy on Biden there's

clearly age has gotten the better of him

and we don't wanna you know we don't

want to dunk on somebody who's who's

really served their country and you know

we should give him a respectful you know

final phase but the longer he stays in

the race I don't know you can't not

treat him like a target because a

President Biden would be one of the

worst things that ever happened to this

country not because of his politics but

because I don't think he's mentally up

to the job you know and I think that's

obvious to most people now so he'll run

out of money soon I want to emphasize a

suggestion I heard from Greg Gutfeld on

the 5:00 yesterday I think it was Greg

he suggested that maybe president Trump

adopt a dog and it should be the hero

dog is that the best idea you've ever

heard seriously have you ever heard an

idea that was better than president

adopting the hero dog as the white house

dog now I don't know if it's possible

and I don't even know if it's safe

because I don't know what the deal is

with military dogs are they always safe

they must be safe enough because they do

later get retired to civilian homes but

you know I don't know enough about that

situation to be sure but think of the

optics think of the optics of President

Trump adopting the hero dog and wait

there's a better part I haven't even

told you the best part because it would

give the hero dog permanent permanent

security the way to protect the hero dog

is to make sure that the hero dog has

Secret Service protection because he's

part of the White House how much would

you love knowing that nobody could ever

get to the hero dog and hurt it because

it's now part of the White House and can

never be harmed because there's just a

ring of secret service because even

after after the president leaves office

whenever that is he still gets Secret

Service protection which means that the

hero dog would have Secret Service

protection and it gets better I haven't

even gotten to the best part yet imagine

the movie in which you know somebody

attacks the White House and the hero dog

saves as a president now I don't think

anybody's going to attack the White

House in such a way that the hero dog

wouldn't need to salt it would need to

jump into action but if you were ever

going to write a movie there was a

popular movie hero dog in the White

House I'm sorry it's a movie it's a

perfect movie the hero dog retires to

the White House hopes to live on its

days in peace but the terrorists attack

and the humans can't handle it

it's all left to the hero dog the only

one who can save the president and he

does what a movie best movie ever

all right I don't have much else today

so I'm gonna I'm going to end here and

thanks again to representative Matt

Gaetz I know technology was not our

friend today but I very much appreciate

you stopping by and we will talk to you

all later