y're putting on. The people that they're putting on just don't even know how to put a coherent argument together. So even if you allow that it's a difference of political opinion, the lawyers do a pretty good job in defending themselves because they're experts. But they're just putting on people who don't have any skill and just letting Jennings slaughter them. So maybe it's intentional. It would be kind of clever. I'll bet the shows with Jennings do well relative to what they've had on that time period before.

Meanwhile, Gavin Newsom has introduced his own podcast. Now of course he's being widely mocked because we like mocking him no matter what he does. But I watched it for about three minutes and here's my update. He's not the new Joe Rogan. Yeah, I'm pretty sure he's not the new Joe Rogan. He is hard to listen to and it's because there's something wrong with his energy. Did anybody watch it? It's his energy. Now I'm not going to make an accusation I can't back up. I will just say that if you were to look at his behavior, he looks like he's on something, you know what I mean? And I'm not judging because a lot of people are on a lot of things and sometimes me. So it's not a judgment. But as an observer, if I see somebody talking in a relaxed way like any of the All-In Pod, you know, sort of joking and relaxed, or Rogan joking and relaxed, that's who I want to spend time with. But you look at Newsom and he's got this energy that's a little bit too much energy for sitting in a chair. And it feels like he's just got too much and it's trying to get out of him and it just makes me a little nervous because of all the energy. And I say to myself, did you have a lot of coffee? Is it a caffeine thing? I hope it's just caffeine. It looks like you got really strong coffee there. And I can't get past it. So if he can't find some way to relax, I don't know how many people can watch that. But he might be able to get that. You know, as I've often said, I remember watching Conan O'Brien when he first got a nighttime show. And the first several months of Conan, he had that same problem—not from any drugs as far as I know—but he just seemed nervous. And you can't really watch a nervous person. It just makes you nervous. But over time he picked up all the right skills, got comfortable with it, became one of the