Episode 144 - The Time President Trump Made the Press Compare Brennan and Clapper to Putin

but a pom pom pom pom pom pom pom pom well what a 24-hours sure I'll tell you the news doesn't get any more interesting than then it has been lately and I'll tell you something else there's some something else you you need to know right now you need to know Morning Joe is freaking out good so if you're not watching this periscope either live or on replay you'll have no idea what's happening in the world so I'm gonna give you a little trapdoor to get out of all this stuff that's happening to get to a little little higher vantage point kind of look at it with some perspective some of this is very funny my favorite part of the morning is I just retweeted so you can see it in my Twitter feed a well there was a patient meeting a lot of a lot of you don't know that Senator Rand Paul is actually a physician how many of you knew that knew that Senator Rand Paul is actually a trained physician and I did a clip in which he's he's diagnosing a case a really bad case of Trump derangement syndrome and normally you don't get to see a video of an office meeting between a physician and his patient but I want to show you a little bit of a clip from it his patient is this guy named Wolf Blitzer like that can't be a real name but dr.

Paul joining us let me get right to the question do you believe that the president Trump's meeting with with Putin made America safer you know I think engagement with our adversaries conversation with a good idea even in the very comfortable let's hear from the patient sounds like a would be an example of arrangement he's getting excited I see some spittle he's melting down dr.

who save him doctor all right now the doctor gets the talks full meltdown Oh full PDF all right well it goes on like that but if you haven't seen it yet you have to watch it until the final the final sign-off of the interview it's a classic so there you have and I'm not making this up Senator Rand Paul is actually a trained physician and he's he's diagnosing Wolf Blitzer now what's interesting is that the the little label on this clip from CNN says says let's say Rand Paul sides with Trump over a US Intel does that look like what happened okay first of all the this is that absolute fake news Rand Paul did not side with Trump over us Intel nothing like that happened nothing so you've got a CNN with just the most obvious fake news because you can just listen to what people said to say nobody said anything like that let me tell you how to sort this all out and keep your sanity so let's talk about all the lying from yesterday and there was some good lying yesterday let's start with Putin you saw the many of you saw the interview in which Putin talked to who was Putin talking to Chris Wallace and Chris Wallace by the way gave a great interview he didn't hold back a bit and it was it was pretty great but remember what I told told you about detecting lies if you say to somebody did you murder the deceased and if the person says no I didn't are you crazy where do you even hear that well it's crazy that that person might be innocent but if you say did you murder that dead person and the person says why what do you know what evidence do you have that person's almost always lying and almost so he's guilty in that example now if you saw the Chris Wallace interview with Putin let me summarize some of Putin's answer to the question about the troll farms and I think this actually was an answer he gave during the press conference or yeah might have been the press conference when asked about the troll farms what did Putin say he did not say no I had nothing to do with any of that he said well you know there are companies that operate on their own and do things on their own that isn't obvious tell for a lie because when people don't do something they say I didn't do that but you know I can explain why it probably happened so on the question of whether Trump was aware I'm sorry of whether Putin was aware of the troll farms it looks like he was now none of this is a hundred percent confirmed but if you were to look at the of what honest people say versus the pattern of what people who are trying to deceive you say it's pretty clear that Putin was not giving a clean denial now take the question that Chris Wallace asked about the the murders by poison on UK soil what was Putin's response to are you murdering dissidents in the UK did Putin say no we do not do that nope he didn't he didn't say that he said we have not been shown any document they would show us evidence that would suggest that we have done that that's what you say when you're guilty all right that's exactly what you say when you're guilty so I would say that Putin has essentially confessed to the poisonings and there was a question of of interference in the election and the 13 or so Russians who were indicted now if you if if Russia did not attempt to interfere with the election when asked they would say we don't interfere with elections we did not do that these allegations are completely false now that doesn't mean you're not lying but an honest person talks that way a dishonest person says I'll make you a deal Muller's team can come over to Russia and they can talk to our people and what would that interview look like hey Boris imagine Muller's team over there interviewing some of these suspects hey Boris did you do these things we accuse you of doing and Boris says nope and then the Moller team says I remind you that you're under oath and then the Russian says no I'm not I'm in Russia I'm not under any oath that's the end of the interview isn't it I mean if you're not under oath does it make any difference if you talk to him because all they have to do is save no I didn't do that and then then you show them a document and say okay here's a photograph of you actually pushing the button to do this hack on the DNC here it is it's a video we've got a secret video or showing you do it what do you say to that that's it that's not me in that video nope not me so what Putin has offered the let's let's go to you you can come to Russia and talk to our people it means absolutely nothing all right so that also suggests suggests that he's lying now given that Putin has clearly lied on at least three topics in my opinion that this is my judgment that only a liar talks in this pattern so it seems he's admitted the UK poisoning which by the way I don't think Putin wants the world to not think he does because it's a good way to to squash dissent how would you like to be a dissenter against Putin right now when you know he's just he could just poison you wherever you are whatever country it's kind of good for Putin to keep that that fear out there the troll forum part was obviously deception and the the thing about Buller was just a diversion so I would say that at this point Putin has essentially confessed publicly in the way that you know people try to hide their their true true guilt he's talked in the way that makes it look completely guilty now nothing's 100% I'm just saying that the way he talked is exactly how a liar talks exactly how now let's talk about the president the president has said a few things that got people chattering today yesterday he said when asked about the Intel the US Intel agencies and I'm gonna paraphrase a little bit what about them they say Russia definitely did it and what did Trump said say he said well Putin says he didn't do it he was very strong on that how did the media report that and I think the president also said some things about the lack of credibility for the Intel agencies if he didn't say yesterday you said it before so that's the context so the news reports that as the president has believes Putin over his own Intel that didn't happen that didn't happen so the biggest story of the day is something that you can see with your own eyes and hear with your own ears never happened not once did the president say well I'm comparing these two things of this one I believe more than that no words like that came out of his mouth what he did say is that Putin claims he didn't do it and he was very strong on that those two things are factually true not what I'm not saying that what Putin claims is true is true I'm saying that the observation that Putin said it didn't happen is true that's an observation it's also true that our Intel agencies don't have great credibility now he also mentioned that the that the server was somehow missing and that that that degrades the credibility of our own position that's just true would anybody argue that that the fact that the server was not looked at by her own Intel agencies that's problematic now that doesn't mean it's a whole story but somebody says I'm twisting his words like Charlottesville no you can check his words you can see that that I'm giving it to you straight so how do you how do you reconcile that on one on one hand doesn't it seem to you let me let me test your beliefs beliefs on this doesn't it seem to you and I'm gonna explain all this in a minute doesn't it seem to you that the president couldn't possibly believe Putin now he may have some questions about his own Intel agencies that seems clear especially you know past past our performance but how do you explain that the president seems in public to act like he is believing Putin how do you think why do you why do you think he'd do that do you think it's because he does do you think the President does believe him all right you have to see this along with his tweet the president tweeted that we have to forget the past we have to move past the past we have to break out of I'm paraphrasing we have to break out of our mental prison of the past does that sound familiar what's the worst way to break away from your prison of the past blaming somebody of something they did in the past that's the worst way what's the best way to break free of your prison of the past well you saw it you saw the president go on I'm on television in front of the world and not throw Putin under the bus even though it should be really obvious to everyone that there were good reasons to throw Putin under the bus now most of his critics the president's critics are saying they're saying my god you have to be tough with Putin you can't believe him because he lied to all of our other presidents before him before Trump and he just says whatever he says and everybody thinks they're looking into his soul and then you trust him and then it's a big mistake well how how much luck if we had pressuring Russia so the way that all of president Trump's critics want him to act how how productive would that be so if President Trump let's say he had gone in front of the public and said you know I believe our Intel people I think Putin's lying I think he lied during the meeting I think he's lied every time he talked about this and he's standing next to me right now and he's lying to you right now that's what his critics asked him to do right whether they actually asked him not to go to the meeting in the first place which i think would be the worst solution to not have a dialogue with somebody who was an adversary with nuclear weapons and we have lots of common interests and fighting terrorism and stuff so imagine if President Trump had done what his critics wanted him to do can you even imagine any scenario where we would come out ahead I don't think he can I can't think of any scenario where you could possibly come out ahead by pressuring Russia the way his critics want them to so remember I told you that what President Trump likes to do is enter any situation and then shake the box and I and I tell you that he's the best box shaker because he has one quality president Trump does that you can't find in you know if you searched a million people it would be hard to find this quality in a person he can do things and take the heat like nobody you've ever seen before right you can't shake the box unless you're willing to put up with whatever happens and that means just insane levels of criticism does president Trump seem to be able to put up with insane level of criticisms yeah clearly yeah he's actually said he loves the heat and it seems to be true he seems like the attention so he shakes the box and gives us a situation we've never been in before have we ever been in a situation where we're doubting our own Intel agencies were we're tweeting trip were tweeting Putin as if he told the truth while not a single person anywhere on the planet believes he's telling the truth about everything you say let me say if there's one thing I can promise you the I would take a bullet on this bet I would say put a gun to my head and I'll make a bet and if I'm wrong the bullet shoots and blows my brain now here's the bet President Trump doesn't believe what Putin's saying in public there's not even any chance he believes that there's not the slightest slightest chance that he believes what Putin is saying now not believing what Putin is saying what are your two choices you call him out as a liar and then you go back to the past before the box was shaken to the path that absolutely wasn't working that was your only choice nobody nobody has suggested another alternative there was one choice go to the path we know doesn't work because we've been trying it or you shake the hell out of this box and you say the past I'm actually going to kind of ignore that if you looked at Chris Wallace's interview there were a few things that I thought were insanely important that probably won't get any late today one of them was that Putin said that when he talked to Trump about North Korea way for this part that Putin said he understood that for a full denuclearization of the peninsula the Korean Peninsula that Russia would have to be part of security guarantees for North Korea how important is that all right if you don't have Russia China and the US and South Korea signing up for security guarantees there isn't the slightest chance that North Korea is going to get rid of their nukes now you know there's a big question about whether they really care or not but without that there is no chance Putin just signed up and announced it on TV and why wouldn't he I mean it seems it's in his best interest to to give the United States what it needs more than anything in the world which is help with North Korea compared to Russia as a risk Russia is under control you know they're they have zero interest in nuking the United States but we don't know about North Korea we don't know who they might sell stuff to that's a bigger problem and we may have gotten closer to a solution because Putin on that question is willing to get to be on our team what was the other thing Putin said to Chris Wallace he said that we also talked about Iran and the Iran question and he hoped Putin said he hoped that he could be productive on that those are our two biggest issues and also you know the basically the entire Syria situation if you you know consider that part of the Iran question so these are our biggest international issues and and and Putin seems to be stepping up on them what did we give up what did the president trade away here's what the president traded away he put Putin on the international stage which is something he can take away and if I've taught you nothing you haven't given somebody something anything you haven't given anything away if you have the right to take it back in a moment all the president has to do is take it back he can push him back off the stage in ten minutes so Putin is only on the international stage wait for it with president Trump's permission permission if President Trump withdraws his permission if you will and pushes Putin back to the shadows who is going to disagree with that in our allies and around the world nobody nobody Putin is back to something that looks like you know big-time player on the same stage with Trump only because Trump is allowing it who has the leverage it looks like Trump because he created as he always does an asset that didn't exist before it's the same thing he did with Kim Jong hoon Kim jong-un has something a little bit of credibility with the world etc that he did not have before president Trump created that credibility out of nothing except persuasion he just did the same thing in front of you for Putin he created a version of Putin and a brand that allows Putin to stand on the stage next to the President of the United States is that a permanent thing it is not it is with permission what would happen if Putin says I'm not going to meet with you mr.

president would that diminish the United States it would not what happens if President Trump says I'm not going to meet with you anymore are you you didn't do your part of the agreement would that diminish the soap and would that diminish Russia and Putin yes it would Putin Putin has something to lose at least in terms of that status thing Trump really doesn't so he's created in an asset out of nothing using persuasion alone so you have to look at you have to look at Trump's two statements together to understand that either one of them one of his statements was with Russia we have to let go of the past this is important because if you don't keep that let go of the past thing the next thing he says will be confusing to you so Trump stands in front of the world and says you know your Intel agency says X but Putin says very strongly why he did not pick a winner now there's something else you should have heard in that and it sounds like this imagine your hearing or your hearing President Trump say that Putin President Putin says they didn't do it and he was very strong about that now listen carefully wink wink wink wink wink D here now wink wink how about now wink wink could he wink any harder is it even possible to wink harder than he was winking did he even sound a little bit like he believed it he did not just listen to his sort of body language it's like yeah Putin said very strongly they didn't do it do you really think he believes that no president Trump is is describing to us a path to get from the crappy place we were terrible relations with the country that we need to solve some other problems to have it get to a better place that's just better for the United States and here's how you do it hey my guy standing next to me that I need for a bunch of things here's how you don't do it President Putin you are big liar we cannot trust anything you say why am I saying that in a Russian accent let me say it in American accent President Putin you're a big ol liar everything you say is a lie we're going to crush you would that be good that wouldn't work how about this President Putin denies the allegations wink wink wink wink wink now the problem of course is that the American public is not so good at hearing and seeing the wink you have to see the wink or none of this makes sense now I see a lot of a lot of folks talking about that the president let his ego get in the way because he wants he wants the public to know that he had a clean win over Clinton and he doesn't want to cloud it up with the Russians ruin the election true I'm sure that his ego would feel better if he if the history recorded he had a clean whim and as far as I know there's no direct evidence that Russia actually successfully changed any votes but the story is out there right and and the odds that Russia tried to interfere with our election probably 100 percent odds that we've tried to interfere with their politics in the past 100 percent so we're not really arguing whether anybody tried to interfere with anybody else 100 percent of course we did Rand Paul just noted in that video that I was showing you part you didn't see but he said there was some study where there were 81 81 instances of countries interfering with other countries elections apparently it's the most common thing in the world all right so let me ask you this which would be better for the United States president Trump saying you know I think my my election was not legitimate that's choice one or what he did say this this Russian interfering stuff is baloney I won fair and square which one is better for the country there's no competition there's no competition there are only two choices he either says I wasn't elected legitimately because Russia helped that would be terrible for the country terrible for him as well let's you know that's a factor but it would be terrible for the country what would be better for the country to deny the impact of Russia no matter what they did or did not do the smart correct political thing to do is even if you had secret information that some some votes were changed you should lie lie lie why because it's good for me it's good for you it's good for the integrity of the country there are situations where lying is absolutely the moral and correct thing to do here's another example there's a terrorist that says I'm gonna kill somebody unless you do X but you can lie let's say you lie and say yeah we did X let that let the not a terrorist let's say a kidnapper let the let the victim go well in that case you're lying to somebody bad and you've got a better result now I know what you're gonna say it goes like this stuff are you saying that the ends justify the means are you saying that the ends justify the means yes yes I am the ends do justify the means whenever you've done a cost-benefit analysis when should you do cost-benefit analysis every time you make a decision a hundred percent of the time you should weigh all of the costs against all of the benefits and then you should pick and I know this is tricky you should pick the one that's bigger if the costs are higher than the benefits you don't do it if the benefits are really big but the costs are small then you do it here's what you don't do go get yourself a bumper sticker and put it on your Prius and say the cost though but the ends don't justify the means the end so Delta Y the means if the extent of your analysis is a bumper sticker that really doesn't even mean anything because the costs and the benefits are always compared in all decisions all the time it's sort of like being against air I am I am against air I like breathing but I don't like air I don't like oxygen alright it doesn't make any sense to rail against the end justifying the means when every decision is that that you're always comparing the cost in the benefits so should a president lie to the public about how credible the system is if he let's say he sincerely believes that that's what's best for the country best for everything absolutely absolutely he should lie about that I would be very disappointed if the president came out and said anything like this you know I'm not so sure I was legitimately elected oh my god the biggest mistake any politician could ever make yes so before my critics pile in and say some version of scoff you are ignoring the ethical and moral dimension again you are a bad person who ignores the or ethical and moral tensions no I'm explicitly saying those are part of the costs and/or benefits they're not the only ones sometimes avoiding nuclear holocaust is also in the equation in which case telling a lie to to avoid a nuclear holocaust maybe those maybe that's case where the ends justify the means Dale alright there's there's something I call the IBM effect happening with the the pundits who are watching this situation with Putin etc and the IBM effect goes like this the back when I was working in the corporate world so this is a million years ago if you if you had a choice of getting an IBM system or computer versus some other vendor the the common saying at the time was nobody ever got fired for choosing IBM because IBM service etc was so good that if something went wrong IBM would just fix it I remember the first time I did a deal with IBM and I was in charge of negotiating contracts for the bank of that section of the bank and I said okay now let's listen ago she ate your contract after we had decided to pick them and the IBM rep said oh we don't do that and I said come on everybody negotiates contracts that's how the world works you know you don't just give me a contract and IBM said yeah we do and I would look at the contract I'd say there's all there's like all these things we would worry about that are not mentioned you know what happens if you put it in a system and it doesn't work what happens if we need some kind of an adjustment what happens if we chose wrong we need an upgrade that there's nothing in your contract that would protect us in those cases and do you know what IVM says they say where IBM if something's wrong we'll fix it period that's our business model if something's wrong we will we will stay up all night we'll pay money we'll do what everything's that's on us and so I ended up signing a non contract if you will with IBM that didn't really say much except we're gonna buy your stuff and when when trouble happened because it always does right nothing goes smoothly what did IBM do they fixed it was it in the contract nope did they argue about it nope because that was their business model we'll fix it period now here's my point that was the reason that people would say nobody ever got fired for choosing IBM because something always goes wrong after you choose the system you've chosen it's like oh I wish I'd done this right should have done this or it doesn't work but if you choose the other vendor something goes wrong and you might not be able to fix it so easily so even if it was the right choice you could still get fired for it if something gets wrong you're seeing the same thing here with the Russia situation if you are a Russia pundit let's say you're an American pundit talking about Russia or you are a news person why is what is the thing you can say about Putin and Russia that will never get you fired and by that I mean you will never be wrong if you say this and I'll put this as a question what's the one thing you can always say about Russia that will make you look like a legitimate pundit and observer that will never be wrong you should be tough with Russia you need to be tough that's it right that the the IBM opinion on Russia is you have to be tough because whoever says that is never going to get fired if it turned out that the answer was not being tough and let's say the president's approach gets us to a good place would that would that pundit get fired for saying we should have been tough with Russia not really because because that's sort of the picking IBM choice it's such a bland normal routine thing to say we need to be tough with Russia though you're not going to get fired for that even if it turns out that the other plan worked better so say you've got to be tough with Russia is everybody keeping their job and saying the safe thing because it's just so obvious what Trump is doing is why he always does he shook the box so frickin hard that and this is the hilarious part Trump has made the his critics compare Putin to Brennan and clapper and and argue about which one is less reliable to think about that President Trump has caused the entire world to debate whether Putin who is essentially just admitted to all manner of bad behavior whether he is more or less credible than clapper and Brennan and that's a legitimate question that we're actually talking about we're actually having that conversation he did that now that's as hard as you can shake a box they're saying even the Newt Gingrich is freaking out yeah you know when you see when you see somebody like Newt have such a strong statement if you didn't see it Newt tweeted that that he wasn't too specific but whatever I think you're talking about the Intel versus Putin question and that if the president doesn't clarify that it's the biggest mistake of his presidency I agree with Newt I agree with Newt that if the president didn't clarify what he meant about our own Intel agencies versus Putin if he didn't clarify that it would be one of the biggest mistakes of his presidency but then he clarified it wink wink here's the clarification I want to read the actual tweet but I don't want to make you wait the clarification was we have to let go of the past that's the clarification because when you see we have to let go of the past and you see it next to Putin says he didn't do this stuff now you can hear the wink if you take away the first statement about about ignoring the past to get to the next level then you can't hear the wink all you hear is wait a minute did I just hear the president say our own Intel was no more reliable than this you know lying dictator guy I've got a problem what's going on here so was Newt correct absolutely what Trump said was so misconstrued because people didn't quite get why he was going for that without a clarification it would be a big mistake and then the president did the best you can do in this situation because you can't actually go in public and say look could you just go along with this I'm just trying to play nice with this guy because we need him all right we will you just let go we all know that they interfered with the election nobody is or at least they attempted to change the change the result you can't say that and you don't want them to the best he can do is give you enough clues so that you can hear the wink and if you don't hear the wink yet you're missing the show all right now one of the most fun answers at the press conference when they asked Putin if he / if he cared who won the presidency and he said yeah we preferred if we preferred Trump first of all I don't know that that was true right because we're talking about two people who didn't say anything true for 24 hours you know between Putin and Trump there they're both playing a diplomatic dance which in this case required no truth it was a truth free process by both players that actually is probably getting us to a productive place or at least we hope that's the plan in any way that if we play well together and just sort of ignore the reality of what we've done to each other in the past maybe we have a chance of moving in so the fact that Putin said he preferred Trump of course just makes all the conspiracy theorists go nuts but here's an interesting question let me this is one of those questions that is too painful to think about so which is why I like to mention it what if now this is something I'm not allowed to say because the moment I say it I'll be called the traitor and treasonous and I'll be taken out of Anna context so let me let me preface it by saying I really like the United States I like it much more than I like Putin all right so just so you know the United States excellent Putin just somebody we have to work with all right so there's I'm not comparing them or anything like that but what would happen in theory if Putin thought he knew what was good for the United States and it happened to be good for what good for Russia at the same time because those the two things are connected right yeah if the United States and Russia are good with each other then both of them prosper and if we're not good with each other then we're both in some trouble in big ways you know North Korea Iran and Russia itself so what if hypothetically Putin actually the thought that President Trump was better for both America and the United States what if he actually thought that was true and they what if he thought what if he honestly thought no I'm not trying to destroy the United States that's crazy yeah how would the hell am I going to destroy the United States all right and they would be destabilizing it wouldn't even be good for me but one of these candidates might be good for Russia and good for the United States and that we both win so yeah traitor he jails and kills reporters so so my statement is it's entirely possible that that Russia and the United States might have the same interests on some questions and for those of you who see the world as black and whites either you're a traitor or you're a patriot well sometimes the world is less clean than that all right does anybody feel more comfortable with their their presidency after listening to this periscope because if you weren't hearing the wink it was pretty scary stuff but if you do hear the wink all he's doing is the same play he did with North Korea you could just say Russia is North Korea minus two months right so my prediction is this there is no way to know that things will go well in the future or not but Trump has shook the box and took the heat because the old way of thinking absolutely wasn't going to work and the new way of thinking might work or might not work but it probably won't be worse so he shipped the box he got us a new situation and what would happen let me ask you what would happen if whatever Putin in and Trump came up with what happens if we don't see the results we want it let's say Putin once again interferes with the midterm elections what would be the right response well I think Trump would shake that box again so if you're thinking that the United States is locked in to to a plan that we will ride forever no matter whether it works or not I think you're looking at the wrong president this president is willing to shake that box as many times as he needs to shake it and take the heat for shaking it but you got to hear the wink or none of this works nobody believes Putin's telling the truth nobody not the president not anybody believes that Russia stays out of our business nor does anybody believe we stay out of their business but I do believe that the two leaders talk to each other and this is the part though you know I wasn't in the room but I feel fairly convinced that this is likely to be the nature of their private conversation there's nothing in this for either of us to be enemies there's just nothing to win there's there's no upside but we are willing to work with you on these things that are important to all of us yeah and I would say Rand Paul has bit I think Rand Paul is the only person in government may be the only citizen who came out of this looking good because he didn't say a single thing that wasn't either factual based on good reason you know reasonable etc you know I'm not sure I would necessarily you know back Rand Paul for president after Trump leaves you know I I'm not sure I agree with all of his policies but you just saw you just saw some high-level behavior there that I don't know that Rand Paul was always playing at this level it feels like he it feels like he took it up a level to presidential level I don't think he was quite at presidential level before but it feels like he's he's definitely started to check all the boxes all right any other questions all right well I'm glad I made you feel better I wanted to get to this early see if as any impact on the coverage today but if you don't understand that President Trump also does not believe Putin then the entire story doesn't make sense and there's not a single chance in the world that President Trump believes what Putin is saying not any chance in the world all right so feel comfortable with that and I will talk to all of you later

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well what a 24-hours sure I'll tell you

the news doesn't get any more

interesting than then it has been lately

and I'll tell you something else there's

some something else you you need to know

right now you need to know Morning Joe

is freaking out good so if you're not

watching this periscope either live or

on replay you'll have no idea what's

happening in the world so I'm gonna give

you a little trapdoor to get out of all

this stuff that's happening to get to a

little little higher vantage point kind

of look at it with some perspective some

of this is very funny my favorite part

of the morning is I just retweeted so

you can see it in my Twitter feed a well

there was a patient meeting a lot of a

lot of you don't know that Senator Rand

Paul is actually a physician how many of

you knew that knew that Senator Rand

Paul is actually a trained physician and

I did a clip in which he's he's

diagnosing a case a really bad case of

Trump derangement syndrome and normally

you don't get to see a video of an

office meeting between a physician and

his patient but I want to show you a

little bit of a clip from it his patient

is this guy named Wolf Blitzer like that

can't be a real name but dr. Paul

joining us let me get right to the

question do you believe that the

president Trump's meeting with with

Putin made America safer you know I

think engagement with our adversaries

conversation with a good idea even in

the very comfortable let's hear from the

patient sounds like a would be an

example of arrangement he's getting

excited I see some spittle

he's melting down dr. who save him

doctor

all right now the doctor gets the talks

full meltdown Oh full PDF all right well

it goes on like that but if you haven't

seen it yet you have to watch it until

the final the final sign-off of the

interview it's a classic

so there you have and I'm not making

this up

Senator Rand Paul is actually a trained

physician and he's he's diagnosing Wolf

Blitzer now what's interesting is that

the the little label on this clip from

CNN says says let's say Rand Paul sides

with Trump over a US Intel does that

look like what happened okay first of

all the this is that absolute fake news

Rand Paul did not side with Trump over

us Intel nothing like that happened

nothing so you've got a CNN with just

the most obvious fake news because you

can just listen to what people said to

say nobody said anything like that let

me tell you how to sort this all out and

keep your sanity so let's talk about all

the lying from yesterday and there was

some good lying yesterday let's start

with Putin you saw the many of you saw

the interview in which Putin talked to

who was Putin talking to Chris Wallace

and Chris Wallace by the way gave a

great interview he didn't hold back a

bit and it was it was pretty great but

remember what I told told you about

detecting lies if you say to somebody

did you murder the deceased and if the

person says no I didn't are you crazy

where do you even hear that well it's

crazy that that person might be innocent

but if you say did you murder that dead

person and the person says why what do

you know what evidence do you have that

person's almost always lying and almost

so he's guilty in that example now if

you saw the Chris Wallace interview with

Putin let me summarize some of Putin's

answer to the question about the troll

farms and I think this actually was an

answer he gave during the press

conference or yeah might have been the

press conference when asked about the

troll farms what did Putin say he did

not say no I had nothing to do with any

of that

he said well you know there are

companies that operate on their own and

do things on their own that isn't

obvious tell for a lie because when

people don't do something they say I

didn't do that but you know I can

explain why it probably happened so on

the question of whether Trump was aware

I'm sorry of whether Putin was aware of

the troll farms it looks like he was now

none of this is a hundred percent

confirmed but if you were to look at the

of what honest people say versus the

pattern of what people who are trying to

deceive you say it's pretty clear that

Putin was not giving a clean denial

now take the question that Chris Wallace

asked about the the murders by poison on

UK soil what was Putin's response to are

you murdering dissidents in the UK did

Putin say no we do not do that nope he

didn't he didn't say that he said we

have not been shown any document they

would show us evidence that would

suggest that we have done that that's

what you say when you're guilty all

right that's exactly what you say when

you're guilty so I would say that Putin

has essentially confessed to the

poisonings and there was a question of

of interference in the election and the

13 or so Russians who were indicted now

if you if if Russia did not attempt to

interfere with the election when asked

they would say we don't interfere with

elections we did not do that these

allegations are completely false now

that doesn't mean you're not lying but

an honest person talks that way

a dishonest person says I'll make you a

deal Muller's team can come over to

Russia and they can talk to our people

and what would that interview look like

hey Boris imagine Muller's team over

there interviewing some of these

suspects hey Boris did you do these

things we accuse you of doing and Boris

says nope and then the Moller team says

I remind you that you're under oath and

then the Russian says no I'm not I'm in

Russia I'm not under any oath that's the

end of the interview isn't it

I mean if you're not under oath does it

make any difference if you talk to him

because all they have to do is save no I

didn't do that and then then you show

them a document and say okay here's a

photograph of you actually pushing the

button to do this hack on the DNC here

it is it's a video we've got a secret

video or showing you do it what do you

say to that that's it that's not me in

that video nope not me

so what Putin has offered the let's

let's go to you you can come to Russia

and talk to our people it means

absolutely nothing all right so that

also suggests suggests that he's lying

now given that Putin has clearly lied on

at least three topics in my opinion that

this is my judgment that only a liar

talks in this pattern so it seems he's

admitted the UK poisoning which by the

way I don't think Putin wants the world

to not think he does because it's a good

way to to squash dissent how would you

like to be a dissenter against Putin

right now when you know he's just he

could just poison you wherever you are

whatever country it's kind of good for

Putin to keep that that fear out there

the troll forum part was obviously

deception and the the thing about Buller

was just a diversion so I would say that

at this point

Putin has essentially confessed publicly

in the way that you know people try to

hide their their true true guilt he's

talked in the way that makes it look

completely guilty now nothing's 100% I'm

just saying that the way he talked is

exactly how a liar talks exactly how now

let's talk about the president

the president has said a few things that

got people chattering today yesterday he

said when asked about the Intel the US

Intel agencies and I'm gonna paraphrase

a little bit what about them they say

Russia definitely did it and what did

Trump said say he said well Putin says

he didn't do it he was very strong on

that how did the media report that and I

think the president also said some

things about the lack of credibility for

the Intel agencies if he didn't say

yesterday you said it before so that's

the context so the news reports that as

the president has believes Putin over

his own Intel that didn't happen that

didn't happen so the biggest story of

the day is something that you can see

with your own eyes and hear with your

own ears never happened not once did the

president say well I'm comparing these

two things of this one I believe more

than that no words like that came out of

his mouth what he did say is that Putin

claims he didn't do it

and he was very strong on that those two

things are factually true not what I'm

not saying that what Putin claims is

true is true I'm saying that the

observation that Putin said it didn't

happen is true that's an observation

it's also true that our Intel agencies

don't have great credibility now he also

mentioned that the that the server was

somehow missing and that that that

degrades the credibility of our own

position that's just true

would anybody argue that that the fact

that the server was not looked at by her

own Intel agencies that's problematic

now that doesn't mean it's a whole story

but somebody says I'm twisting his words

like Charlottesville no you can check

his words you can see that that I'm

giving it to you straight

so how do you how do you reconcile that

on one on one hand doesn't it seem to

you let me let me test your beliefs

beliefs on this doesn't it seem to you

and I'm gonna explain all this in a

minute doesn't it seem to you that the

president couldn't possibly believe

Putin now he may have some questions

about his own Intel agencies that seems

clear especially you know past past our

performance but how do you explain that

the president seems in public to act

like he is believing Putin how do you

think why do you why do you think he'd

do that

do you think it's because he does do you

think the President does believe him all

right you have to see this

along with his tweet the president

tweeted that we have to forget the past

we have to move past the past we have to

break out of I'm paraphrasing we have to

break out of our mental prison of the

past does that sound familiar what's the

worst way to break away from your prison

of the past blaming somebody of

something they did in the past that's

the worst way what's the best way to

break free of your prison of the past

well you saw it you saw the president go

on I'm on television in front of the

world and not throw Putin under the bus

even though it should be really obvious

to everyone that there were good reasons

to throw Putin under the bus now most of

his critics the president's critics are

saying they're saying my god you have to

be tough with Putin you can't believe

him because he lied to all of our other

presidents before him before Trump and

he just says whatever he says and

everybody thinks they're looking into

his soul and then you trust him and then

it's a big mistake well how how much

luck if we had pressuring Russia so the

way that all of president Trump's

critics want him to act how how

productive would that be so if President

Trump let's say he had gone in front of

the public and said you know I believe

our Intel people I think Putin's lying I

think he lied during the meeting I think

he's lied every time he talked about

this and he's standing next to me right

now and he's lying to you right now

that's what his critics asked him to do

right whether they actually asked him

not to go to the meeting in the first

place which i think would be the worst

solution to not have a dialogue with

somebody who was an adversary with

nuclear weapons and we have lots of

common interests and fighting terrorism

and stuff so imagine if President Trump

had done what his critics wanted him to

do can you even imagine any scenario

where we would come out ahead I don't

think he can I can't think of any

scenario where you could possibly come

out ahead by pressuring Russia the way

his critics want them to so remember I

told you that what President Trump likes

to do is enter any situation and then

shake the box and I and I tell you that

he's the best box shaker because he has

one quality president Trump does that

you can't find in you know if you

searched a million people it would be

hard to find this quality in a person

he can do things and take the heat like

nobody you've ever seen before

right you can't shake the box unless

you're willing to put up with whatever

happens and that means just insane

levels of criticism does president Trump

seem to be able to put up with insane

level of criticisms yeah clearly yeah

he's actually said he loves the heat and

it seems to be true he seems like the

attention so he shakes the box and gives

us a situation we've never been in

before have we ever been in a situation

where we're doubting our own Intel

agencies were we're tweeting trip were

tweeting Putin as if he told the truth

while not a single person anywhere on

the planet believes he's telling the

truth about everything you say let me

say if there's one thing I can promise

you the I would take a bullet on this

bet I would say put a gun to my head and

I'll make a bet and if I'm wrong the

bullet shoots and blows my brain now

here's the bet President Trump doesn't

believe what Putin's saying in public

there's not even any chance he believes

that there's not the slightest slightest

chance that he believes what Putin is

saying now not believing what Putin is

saying what are your two choices you

call him out as a liar and then you go

back to the past before the box was

shaken to the path that absolutely

wasn't working that was your only choice

nobody nobody has suggested another

alternative there was one choice go to

the path we know doesn't work because

we've been trying it or you shake the

hell out of this box

and you say the past I'm actually going

to kind of ignore that if you looked at

Chris Wallace's interview there were a

few things that I thought were insanely

important that probably won't get any

late today one of them was that Putin

said that when he talked to Trump about

North Korea way for this part that Putin

said he understood that for a full

denuclearization of the peninsula the

Korean Peninsula that Russia would have

to be part of security guarantees for

North Korea how important is that all

right if you don't have Russia China and

the US and South Korea signing up for

security guarantees there isn't the

slightest chance that North Korea is

going to get rid of their nukes now you

know there's a big question about

whether they really care or not but

without that there is no chance Putin

just signed up and announced it on TV

and why wouldn't he I mean it seems it's

in his best interest to to give the

United States what it needs more than

anything in the world which is help with

North Korea compared to Russia as a risk

Russia is under control you know they're

they have zero interest in nuking the

United States but we don't know about

North Korea we don't know who they might

sell stuff to that's a bigger problem

and we may have gotten closer to a

solution because Putin on that question

is willing to get to be on our team what

was the other thing Putin said to Chris

Wallace he said that we also talked

about Iran and the Iran question and he

hoped Putin said he hoped that he could

be productive on that those are our two

biggest issues and also you know the

basically the entire Syria situation if

you you know consider that part of the

Iran question so these are our biggest

international issues and and and Putin

seems to be stepping up on them

what did we give up what did the

president trade away here's what the

president traded away

he put Putin on the international stage

which is something he can take away and

if I've taught you nothing

you haven't given somebody something

anything you haven't given anything away

if you have the right to take it back in

a moment all the president has to do is

take it back he can push him back off

the stage in ten minutes

so Putin is only on the international

stage wait for it with president Trump's

permission permission if President Trump

withdraws his permission if you will and

pushes Putin back to the shadows who is

going to disagree with that in our

allies and around the world nobody

nobody Putin is back to something that

looks like you know big-time player on

the same stage with Trump only because

Trump is allowing it

who has the leverage it looks like Trump

because he created as he always does an

asset that didn't exist before it's the

same thing he did with Kim Jong hoon Kim

jong-un has something a little bit of

credibility with the world etc that he

did not have before

president Trump created that credibility

out of nothing except persuasion he just

did the same thing in front of you for

Putin he created a version of Putin and

a brand that allows Putin to stand on

the stage next to the President of the

United States is that a permanent thing

it is not it is with permission what

would happen if Putin says I'm not going

to meet with you mr. president would

that diminish the United States it would

not what happens if President Trump says

I'm not going to meet with you anymore

are you

you didn't do your part of the agreement

would that diminish the soap and would

that diminish Russia and Putin yes it

would

Putin Putin has something to lose at

least in terms of that status thing

Trump really doesn't so he's created in

an asset out of nothing

using persuasion alone so you have to

look at you have to look at Trump's two

statements together to understand that

either one of them one of his statements

was with Russia we have to let go of the

past this is important because if you

don't keep that let go of the past thing

the next thing he says will be confusing

to you so Trump stands in front of the

world and says you know your Intel

agency says X but Putin says very

strongly why he did not pick a winner

now there's something else you should

have heard in that and it sounds like

this imagine your hearing or your

hearing President Trump say that Putin

President Putin says they didn't do it

and he was very strong about that now

listen carefully wink wink wink wink

wink D here now wink wink

how about now wink wink could he wink

any harder is it even possible to wink

harder than he was winking did he even

sound a little bit like he believed it

he did not just listen to his sort of

body language it's like yeah Putin said

very strongly they didn't do it do you

really think he believes that no

president Trump is is describing to us a

path to get from the crappy place we

were terrible relations with the country

that we need to solve some other

problems to have it get to a better

place

that's just better for the United States

and here's how you do it hey my guy

standing next to me that I need for a

bunch of things here's how you don't do

it

President Putin you are big liar we

cannot trust anything you say why am I

saying that in a Russian accent let me

say it in American accent President

Putin you're a big ol liar everything

you say is a lie we're going to crush

you would that be good that wouldn't

work how about this President Putin

denies the allegations wink wink wink

wink wink

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now the problem of course is that the

American public is not so good at

hearing and seeing the wink you have to

see the wink or none of this makes sense

now I see a lot of a lot of folks

talking about that the president let his

ego get in the way because he wants he

wants the public to know that he had a

clean win over Clinton and he doesn't

want to cloud it up with the Russians

ruin the election true I'm sure that his

ego would feel better if he if the

history recorded he had a clean whim and

as far as I know there's no direct

evidence that Russia actually

successfully changed any votes but the

story is out there right and and the

odds that Russia tried to interfere with

our election probably 100 percent odds

that we've tried to interfere with their

politics in the past 100 percent so

we're not really arguing whether anybody

tried to interfere with anybody else 100

percent of course we did Rand Paul just

noted in that video that I was showing

you part you didn't see but he said

there was some study where there were 81

81 instances of countries interfering

with other countries elections

apparently it's the most common thing in

the world

all right so let me ask you this which

would be better for the United States

president Trump saying you know I think

my my election was not legitimate that's

choice one or what he did say this this

Russian interfering stuff is baloney I

won fair and square which one is better

for the country there's no competition

there's no competition there are only

two choices he either says I wasn't

elected legitimately

because Russia helped that would be

terrible for the country terrible for

him as well let's you know that's a

factor but it would be terrible for the

country what would be better for the

country to deny the impact of Russia no

matter what they did or did not do the

smart correct political thing to do is

even if you had secret information that

some some votes were changed you should

lie lie lie why because it's good for me

it's good for you it's good for the

integrity of the country there are

situations where lying is absolutely the

moral and correct thing to do here's

another example there's a terrorist that

says I'm gonna kill somebody unless you

do X but you can lie let's say you lie

and say yeah we did X let that let the

not a terrorist let's say a kidnapper

let the let the victim go well in that

case you're lying to somebody bad and

you've got a better result

now I know what you're gonna say it goes

like this stuff are you saying that the

ends justify the means are you saying

that the ends justify the means yes yes

I am the ends do justify the means

whenever you've done a cost-benefit

analysis when should you do

cost-benefit analysis every time you

make a decision a hundred percent of the

time you should weigh all of the costs

against all of the benefits and then you

should pick and I know this is tricky

you should pick the one that's bigger if

the costs are higher than the benefits

you don't do it if the benefits are

really big but the costs are small then

you do it here's what you don't do go

get yourself a bumper sticker and put it

on your Prius and say the cost though

but the ends don't justify the means the

end so Delta Y the means if the extent

of your analysis is a bumper sticker

that really doesn't even mean anything

because the costs and the benefits are

always compared in all decisions all the

time it's sort of like being against air

I am I am against air I like breathing

but I don't like air I don't like oxygen

alright it doesn't make any sense to

rail against the end justifying the

means when every decision is that that

you're always comparing the cost in the

benefits so should a president lie to

the public about how credible the system

is if he let's say he sincerely believes

that that's what's best for the country

best for everything

absolutely absolutely he should lie

about that I would be very disappointed

if the president came out and said

anything like this you know I'm not so

sure I was legitimately elected oh my

god

the biggest mistake any politician could

ever make yes so before my critics pile

in and say some version of scoff you are

ignoring the ethical and moral dimension

again you are a bad person who ignores

the or ethical and moral tensions no I'm

explicitly saying those are part of the

costs and/or benefits they're not the

only ones sometimes avoiding

nuclear holocaust is also in the

equation in which case telling a lie to

to avoid a nuclear holocaust

maybe those maybe that's case where the

ends justify the means

Dale alright there's there's something I

call the IBM effect happening with the

the pundits who are watching this

situation with Putin etc and the IBM

effect goes like this the back when I

was working in the corporate world so

this is a million years ago if you if

you had a choice of getting an IBM

system or computer versus some other

vendor the the common saying at the time

was nobody ever got fired for choosing

IBM because IBM service etc was so good

that if something went wrong

IBM would just fix it I remember the

first time I did a deal with IBM and I

was in charge of negotiating contracts

for the bank of that section of the bank

and I said okay now let's listen ago she

ate your contract after we had decided

to pick them and the IBM rep said oh we

don't do that and I said come on

everybody negotiates contracts that's

how the world works you know you don't

just give me a contract and IBM said

yeah we do and I would look at the

contract I'd say there's all there's

like all these things we would worry

about that are not mentioned you know

what happens if you put it in a system

and it doesn't work what happens if we

need some kind of an adjustment what

happens if we chose wrong we need an

upgrade that there's nothing in your

contract that would protect us in those

cases and do you know what IVM says they

say where IBM if something's wrong we'll

fix it period that's our business model

if something's wrong we will we will

stay up all night

we'll pay money we'll do what

everything's that's on us and so I ended

up signing a non

contract if you will with IBM that

didn't really say much except we're

gonna buy your stuff and when when

trouble happened because it always does

right nothing goes smoothly

what did IBM do they fixed it was it in

the contract nope did they argue about

it nope because that was their business

model we'll fix it period now here's my

point that was the reason that people

would say nobody ever got fired for

choosing IBM because something always

goes wrong after you choose the system

you've chosen it's like oh I wish I'd

done this right should have done this or

it doesn't work but if you choose the

other vendor something goes wrong and

you might not be able to fix it so

easily so even if it was the right

choice you could still get fired for it

if something gets wrong you're seeing

the same thing here with the Russia

situation if you are a Russia pundit

let's say you're an American pundit

talking about Russia or you are a news

person why is what is the thing you can

say about Putin and Russia that will

never get you fired and by that I mean

you will never be wrong if you say this

and I'll put this as a question what's

the one thing you can always say about

Russia that will make you look like a

legitimate pundit and observer that will

never be wrong you should be tough with

Russia you need to be tough that's it

right that the the IBM opinion on Russia

is you have to be tough because whoever

says that is never going to get fired if

it turned out that the answer was not

being tough and let's say the

president's approach gets us to a good

place would that would that pundit get

fired for saying we should have been

tough with Russia not really because

because that's sort of the picking IBM

choice it's such a bland normal routine

thing to say we need to be tough with

Russia though you're not going to get

fired for that even if it turns out that

the other plan worked better so say

you've got to be tough with Russia is

everybody keeping their job and saying

the safe thing because it's just so

obvious what Trump is doing is why he

always does

he shook the box so frickin hard that

and this is the hilarious part Trump has

made the his critics compare Putin to

Brennan and clapper and and argue about

which one is less reliable to think

about that President Trump has caused

the entire world to debate whether Putin

who is essentially just admitted to all

manner of bad behavior whether he is

more or less credible than clapper and

Brennan and that's a legitimate question

that we're actually talking about we're

actually having that conversation he did

that now that's as hard as you can shake

a box they're saying even the Newt

Gingrich is freaking out yeah you know

when you see when you see somebody like

Newt have such a strong statement if you

didn't see it Newt tweeted that that he

wasn't too specific but whatever I think

you're talking about the Intel versus

Putin question and that if the president

doesn't clarify that it's the biggest

mistake of his presidency I agree with

Newt

I agree with Newt that if the president

didn't clarify what he meant about our

own Intel agencies versus Putin if he

didn't clarify that it would be one of

the biggest mistakes of his presidency

but then he clarified it wink wink

here's the clarification I want to read

the actual tweet but I don't want to

make you wait the clarification was we

have to let go of the past

that's the clarification because when

you see we have to let go of the past

and you see it next to Putin says he

didn't do this stuff now you can hear

the wink if you take away the first

statement about about ignoring the past

to get to the next level then you can't

hear the wink all you hear is wait a

minute did I just hear the president say

our own Intel was no more reliable than

this you know lying dictator guy I've

got a problem what's going on here so

was Newt correct absolutely what Trump

said was so misconstrued because people

didn't quite get why he was going for

that without a clarification it would be

a big mistake

and then the president did the best you

can do in this situation because you

can't actually go in public and say look

could you just go along with this I'm

just trying to play nice with this guy

because we need him all right

we will you just let go we all know that

they interfered with the election nobody

is or at least they attempted to change

the change the result you can't say that

and you don't want them to the best he

can do is give you enough clues so that

you can hear the wink and if you don't

hear the wink yet you're missing the

show all right now one of the most fun

answers

at the press conference when they asked

Putin if he / if he cared who won the

presidency and he said yeah we preferred

if we preferred Trump first of all I

don't know that that was true right

because we're talking about two people

who didn't say anything true for 24

hours you know between Putin and Trump

there they're both playing a diplomatic

dance which in this case required no

truth it was a truth free process by

both players that actually is probably

getting us to a productive place or at

least we hope that's the plan in any way

that if we play well together and just

sort of ignore the reality of what we've

done to each other in the past maybe we

have a chance of moving in so the fact

that Putin said he preferred Trump of

course just makes all the conspiracy

theorists go nuts but here's an

interesting question let me this is one

of those questions that is too painful

to think about so which is why I like to

mention it what if now this is something

I'm not allowed to say because the

moment I say it I'll be called the

traitor and treasonous and I'll be taken

out of Anna context so let me let me

preface it by saying I really like the

United States I like it much more than I

like Putin all right so just so you know

the United States excellent Putin just

somebody we have to work with all right

so there's I'm not comparing them or

anything like that but what would happen

in theory if Putin thought he knew what

was good for the United States and it

happened to be good for what good for

Russia at the same time because those

the two things are connected right yeah

if the United States and Russia are good

with each other then both of them

prosper and if we're not good with each

other

then we're both in some trouble in big

ways you know North Korea

Iran and Russia itself so what if

hypothetically Putin actually the

thought that President Trump was better

for both America and the United States

what if he actually thought that was

true and they what if he thought what if

he honestly thought no I'm not trying to

destroy the United States that's crazy

yeah how would the hell am I going to

destroy the United States all right and

they would be destabilizing it wouldn't

even be good for me but one of these

candidates might be good for Russia and

good for the United States and that we

both win

so yeah traitor

he jails and kills reporters so so my

statement is it's entirely possible that

that Russia and the United States might

have the same interests on some

questions and for those of you who see

the world as black and whites either

you're a traitor or you're a patriot

well sometimes the world is less clean

than that all right does anybody feel

more comfortable with their their

presidency after listening to this

periscope because if you weren't hearing

the wink it was pretty scary stuff but

if you do hear the wink all he's doing

is the same play he did with North Korea

you could just say Russia is North Korea

minus two months right so my prediction

is this there is no way to know that

things will go well in the future or not

but Trump has shook the box and took the

heat because the old way of thinking

absolutely wasn't going to work and the

new way of thinking might work or might

not work but it probably won't be worse

so

he shipped the box he got us a new

situation and what would happen let me

ask you what would happen if whatever

Putin in and Trump came up with what

happens if we don't see the results we

want it let's say Putin once again

interferes with the midterm elections

what would be the right response well I

think Trump would shake that box again

so if you're thinking that the United

States is locked in to to a plan that we

will ride forever no matter whether it

works or not I think you're looking at

the wrong president this president is

willing to shake that box as many times

as he needs to shake it and take the

heat for shaking it but you got to hear

the wink or none of this works nobody

believes Putin's telling the truth

nobody not the president not anybody

believes that Russia stays out of our

business nor does anybody believe we

stay out of their business but I do

believe that the two leaders talk to

each other and this is the part though

you know I wasn't in the room but I feel

fairly convinced that this is likely to

be the nature of their private

conversation there's nothing in this for

either of us to be enemies there's just

nothing to win there's there's no upside

but we are willing to work with you on

these things that are important to all

of us yeah and I would say Rand Paul has

bit

I think Rand Paul is the only person in

government may be the only citizen who

came out of this looking good because he

didn't say a single thing that wasn't

either factual based on good reason you

know reasonable etc you know I'm not

sure I would necessarily you know back

Rand Paul for president

after Trump leaves you know I I'm not

sure I agree with all of his policies

but you just saw you just saw some

high-level behavior there that I don't

know that Rand Paul was always playing

at this level it feels like he it feels

like he took it up a level to

presidential level I don't think he was

quite at presidential level before but

it feels like he's he's definitely

started to check all the boxes all right

any other questions all right well I'm

glad I made you feel better I wanted to

get to this early

see if as any impact on the coverage

today but if you don't understand that

President Trump also does not believe

Putin then the entire story doesn't make

sense and there's not a single chance in

the world that President Trump believes

what Putin is saying not any chance in

the world all right

so feel comfortable with that and I will

talk to all of you later