Episode 29 - Scott Clears Away the Fog of Fake News About Himself Using Nothing But Words and Coffee

bum-bum-bum-bum-bum hey everybody do you have your delicious cup of coffee I sure hope you do come on in here all right it's time for this simultaneous set you know a few days ago I was actually thinking to myself man things got boring nothing's happening and then I wake up yesterday morning and I see a text from somebody saying you know what do you think of that about Kanye and I thought to myself at 5:30 in the morning or whenever I was waking up why would I be thinking about Kanye right now at 5:30 in the morning and then I checked my Twitter feed and I saw that Kanye West had retweeted my video in which I was talking about him in Candace Owens at 9 separate times with nine different clips out of it which of course made the world blow up because you know it looked like worlds were colliding and you know dogs were marrying cats and you know it was raining and on fire at the same time and yeah you know it was it was daytime and night simultaneously and and people didn't seem to be happy about the fact I mean think about what made people angry and I hate to put it in these terms but what I do you you're gonna see that this is exactly what happened there were lots of you know lots of noise and lots of complaints but it really came down to this the reason people were really unhappy is that I was that Kanye West and I would just agree on something and it feels racial why don't know if it is but it just feels racial that the fact that we would both have just a reasonable well explained reason for believing that the past should not influence our decisions so much in the present perfectly reasonable thing to think but somehow it's not okay if Kanye has that very ordinary thought at the same time that I do or at the same time somehow the world is not okay with that so as I predicted the of the Long Knives would come out for me and that the the fake news stories would would be a rampant so I was right of course so the Internet is now full of stories about me which are largely false now you may have seen the Buzz.

Feed I think Buzz.

Feed was calling me far-right men's rights advocate as you know neither of those are true both fake news I think mediate did spin did Al duck I think they were about the a/v Club probably about several other publications came after me and I don't know if they just Google the other publications whoever went first but they all had the same bad set of stories so one of them this guy calleb a karma at mediate I think who Dave Rubin refers to as quote an embarrassment to journalism I love Dave and and he definitely captured it right so calleb a karma who's forever name is embarrassment to journalism or ETJ we could just call him etj from now embarrassment to journalism he he printed several specific criticisms of me and he challenged me on Twitter to deny that any of these were true now Twitter is not a really good platform for a you know a long conversation so I just said that I would take it to periscope or as I like to call it the home-field advantage so that when I talk about it there's nobody interrupting me and I can you know I can give you the full explanation so I'm going to give you the full list of come about me that are alleged to be true from calleb a karma and mediate who Dave Rubin quite correctly calls an embarrassment to journalism now you could decide yourself if he's an embarrassment to journalism by seeing my response to his criticisms when I'm done you'll either say my god Scott he certainly is right you're an embarrassment to periscope or I think you might say ETA G is a J is an embarrassment to journalism here's the number one thing which he says as a criticism to me number one regularly appeared on the conspiracy site Infowars technically correct I have appeared on in for several times also technically correct but left out is that my stated policy is to go on any platform so I've been on CNN a number of times I've been on MSNBC I've been seated you know I've been on pretty much every liberal platform I was booked on one this morning this morning I was supposed to be on Yahoo no news but they had a scheduling problem so is it true that I've regularly appeared on the conspiracy site info worse now conspiracy site is his word I'm not gonna argue whether that's correct but I have appeared on Infowars if you only knew that it would sound like well there's proof he's you know he's a far-right guy but if you knew what I say publicly friendly often and I demonstrate as obviously as possible that I appear on any major platform why why would I appear on Infowars unless I agree with every single thing they've ever said here's why and I know this is not obvious to Calabar karma because he's an embarrassment to journalism but here's why I would appear on their platform they invite me on Infowars to give my opinion to their followers and to them right Infowars does not invite me on the show to tell me what they're thinking they bring me on to tell them what I'm thinking and to the extent that you think am i I'm a good influence even if you thought Infowars was a horrible you know blight on humanity wouldn't you want them to be subject to better influences such as myself who describes himself as far left all right so does Infowars have other people on the show who are who described themselves as far left maybe I know that they might but that would be exactly what you'd want to see you know wouldn't wouldn't callable want to see people from another opinion on I didn't forth all right let me clarify what I say that I'm left to Bernie here's what I mean by that I would like to see universal health care I think we can't be a great country without it I'd like to see free education in training for a lifetime but I don't think we can get there through taxes so what where I differ from Bernie and socialists is I don't want to take it from the rich I don't want to I don't want to tax I think technology and better management and being smarter can get us to those places even if it takes a while so those are the two examples where I'm far left to Bernie but without the impractical stuff now some of you are saying libertarian but it is certainly not libertarian to have the government helping us get to universal health care and free education and training all right but that's another topic just just tell you where I stand on the spectrum number two from Kayla been Karma the embarrassment to journalism is defended Holocaust deniers so he's saying this is very clear criticism he's saying that I defended Holocaust deniers never not once nothing slightly like that never here's here's an actual journalist in public saying that I personally have quote defended Holocaust deniers I've never done anything like that now the article that he's referring to I say in clear language you know no serious person denies the Holocaust I can't get more clear than that now in that same article I talked about this was before I was using the word persuasion in a lot of my blogging but this was related to the topic before I had sort of branded it that way and I when I was questioning was one very narrow thing which is how exact is the count of the number of people who died in the Holocaust and the point of it was we act like it's exact but what are the odds is something that would be that hard to measure you'd have a really good number for but it doesn't really matter does it when we talk about world war 2 itself people say we don't know how many people died in World War two it might be somewhere between like 50 and 60 million maybe somewhere in that but knowing that it's somewhere in that range doesn't make anybody a world war ii denier because they don't know the exact number somebody's saying please stop because I I think you know that it's impossible to talk about this topic where that was sounding like a Holocaust denier but I'll say as clearly as possible I'm not one would not support anybody who was one it's clearly you know a fact and but it is also a fact that when you see a large organization or group trying to get an exact count of something that that's that is that hard to count it's probably an nation which doesn't change anything all right number three my critic says that I believe the Seth rich conspiracy well that's a that's a vague statement because what is the conspiracy is it a conspiracy well let me tell you what I do believe so just to be clear on this so if you're talking about the Seth rich conspiracy you're talking about everything from he took the data gave it to Wiki.

Leaks and then Hillary Clinton you know put a hit on him and had him murdered I do not believe Hillary Clinton put a hit on Seth rich all right I haven't seen any evidence of that I do believe here's the part I do believe that the the two competing stories for what happened what is sort of the Russia did it gusoff her etc is one set of you know explanations and the Seth rich had a thumb drive and he got the data and gave it to Wiki.

Leaks is another is another story that's out there so what I believe is that one of those stories fits the the facts which we have been given much better than the other and the Russia did his story unfortunately requires us to believe our intelligence agencies were unbiased and honest and accurate and they're not really credible at the moment so so the sources the say it was gusoff ur and they did it are by their nature they're no longer credible now that's different from being wrong they could be right but they're not credible because they've you know there are too many things in the news at the moment that would question their credibility Wiki.

Leaks however has a long record of being credible you could hate it or love them but at least they've been credible and Assange has made it very clear he's hinted in a way that makes it clear he's he wants you to believe it that set was a source for Wiki.

Leaks that doesn't make it true all right so we can know what really happened nor could we ever know we can only know what other people told us happen and we have questionable credibility in a lot of cases so if you compared Assange is clear indication that seth rich was a source and wikileaks has a long record of not being wrong that's one source this supports one story that it was seth rich the other version is that russia did it and all the people involved with that our Locrian ability so we have two stories one has tremendously low credibility one has so far a plus credibility my position on South Ridge is at least on just the narrow question of whether he was the source for the data is that the you know we could talk all day about the the other details but there's there's just a stronger case for seth rich being involved there murder part there's no evidence that that you know hillary was behind the murder it's just a the timing is questionable but there are a lot of things that would be questionable timing if you looked at them from a distance so that doesn't mean anything all right so where where my critic says he believes the seth rich conspiracy that that makes it sound like i'm buying all the parts of it and it also presumes the answer by calling it a conspiracy you've dismissed it without regard to the evidence i could have his easily said well Caleb are you buying the Russia I did it conspiracy so you know if you label it a conspiracy in your statement you're you're sort of assuming the answer there all right now before claimed Hillary was quote now he's quoting me from maybe a blog post or something was quote likely to trigger a race war and cause the quote uptick in domestic racial violence to win the election well I've talked about that at length and of course that's true but it's also something I believe he would agree with if he were not dishonest when Hillary Clinton started describing Trump as a racist people believed it and when she took all of the confirmation bias of theirs his time he awkwardly said this there's the there's the dog whistle that I can hear that you can't there's the time he did something thirty years ago when she put it all together she created this ultra scary vision of Trump being a dangerous racist and it did cause an immense amount of racial unrest now I too have criticized candidate Trump and now President Trump for not handling race relations well but let's be honest the challenge for him is much higher than for other people because the quality of the opposition was first-rate I wrote into my book when Bigley that when the Trump the when the Clinton team started using the word dark which I believe came from a cognitive scientist who said dark is a great word it captures all of these bad you know racist dangerous things when he started doing that Hillary was intentionally whipping up racial feelings the natural risk of that is that the bad racial feeling was turned into violence and I think I think we did see violence so his criticism is that I made a prediction that is unambiguously true would he disagree that there have been more racial tensions lately the party would disagree with is that Hillary Clinton was behind them now this is what I call the one variable thinker anybody who thinks that there's only one variable behind anything that happens is not really a serious thinker you need all the variables to happen for anything really important happen in this case the variable was President Trump had to handle race relations stuff not as well as he could and that happened right but the second thing that had to happen is that somebody had to package that as my god it's the biggest problem in the world he's a huge racist he's going to do terrible things so Hillary did the heavy lifting of packaging that as a big major problem what Trump did was make mistakes that allowed that to happen but if Trump had simply done what Trump did and the news media this is an important point if the news media and the Clinton campaign had simply noted what the president said without comment in other words without adding the persuasion to it the public would say well that sounded like a weird way to say that that bothers me a little bit yeah I'll think about something else so what President Trump does in terms of the way he couches you know race relations and everything else the way he speaks about race all of those things might have bothered us a little bit if other people hadn't told us how bothered we should be so the part that Caleb doesn't understand is the effectiveness of the criticism the critics are very effective and they have created a a package that is quite persuasive you you know you you don't get you don't get oh my god Trump's a huge racist just by what he's doing you need other people to package it explain it you know and put a bow on it and without that stuff you don't get the racial unrest of the violence and then he said so here's another poll quote before I read this one let me give you some context there was a time early in my blogging career when I used to try to intentionally say things that were provocative and will get people really wound up but I would say them in a way if I craft them right that they would be really wound up about something they agreed with right and it's it's a hard thing to do so I was trying to say something that people would completely agree with all the parts of it and even the larger thought but even while they're agreeing with it they would get really mad at it because I thought that would be frankly entertaining but I didn't know that it would haunt me forever so I'm gonna I'm gonna classify this as a rookie mistake and here's how it was expressed years later - here's how this is expressed so this is a caleb big karma again the embarrassment to journalism who says he's quoting me well let me give this to you without the controversial wording and see if you agree with the thoughts right then I'll tell you how I worded it and watch how you go from well I agreed with everything you just said - my god you're offensive all right watch it watch this watch how I do this so here are the things he's quoting I'll just reword them into a way that I think you'll agree with adults do not treat children the way they treat other adults that's not controversial is it the way you were going to treat let's say a six-year-old should be probably different than you would treat an adult wouldn't you say that would be true okay so that's the first thing that he's saying is horrible that an adult would treat a child differently than an adult the second thing he finds quite horrible and I'll tell you how these are related these are separate thoughts but I'll show you how they're related in a minute I said that a a normal nice human being would not treat someone who had a let's say a serious mental problem would not treat them the same as someone who didn't so somebody was suffering from a you know a very major mental disability you would not get in an argument with them for example you know because there's nothing to be gained from that now you would agree with that right if you're a nice regular human being you're not going to get in an argument with somebody who is mentally incapable and you know it there's no debate there at all third thing I said is that men will hesitate to argue with women with the same let's say the same enthusiasm that they would argue with other men now the thinking behind this is that men typically will argue with each other almost like a sport so and you see this you see this on Twitter every day right when men are debating men we see it almost like a sport and then people will join my team on Twitter and like yeah here comes you know here comes one of my teammates to make a good point and you know we're making a good point over here and look what that other team is doing so we tend to see that as a sort of a almost a sport however when it goes across gender sometimes it changes so my statement which became the controversial part is that men will hesitate to get in the same kind of an argument about anything substantive with women because the penalty is higher so here's the the controversial statement the men on average believe that the penalty for arguing with a woman about anything important is higher than the penalty for arguing with another man now probably all men would agree with that it would be hard to find a man who would it would disagree with that there yeah there's always somebody will disagree with a thing but as a generality right now lots of people will say well we shouldn't be like that or I know somebody who isn't or you know I'm not like that or I try not to be like that that's all true I'm talking generalities as a generality men will pull their punches that's a terrible phrase let me let me men erase pull their punches because I don't want to make this sound like physical abuse because that's not the topic men when they're arguing with women will hold back and if you talk to men and just ask them they will agree but the trick is he probably has to be a man asking another man because if a woman asks a man if he holds back when arguing with a woman do you know what he's going to say whatever you want he's probably not going to give an honest answer so that's so those are three things I said which I believe everyone would agree with you don't talk to a child the way you talk to an adult you don't deal with someone who has a severe mental handicap the way you would deal with somebody else and men are hesitant to argue with full force against women because there's a bigger penalty they feel now those things you don't disagree with but here's so remember the the background here was I tried to say things back then because I thought it was entertaining maybe just for me to say things that people would agree with but say it in a way that would make them angry at it at the same time so now I'm going to take those three things you just agreed with and I'm going to put it in the offensive forum so here's the offensive forum I took those three things I just said how men treat children mentally handicapped and women and then I provocatively put them in the same sentence to make everybody angry and I said the women are treated differently by society for exactly the same reason that children and the mentally handicapped are treated differently it's just easier this way for everyone now think about how offensive that is now people take offensiveness and they say okay if you're offensive then you're also a misogynist you're also a bigot those are really different things I'm definitely offensive but in this case I was offensive intentionally and I thought it was obvious why all right when I wrote it I thought okay everybody's gonna know that I'm putting these three things that don't belong together in the same sentence because when you read it it's gonna be really offensive but you won't disagree with any of it and you didn't write because I I just went through it you agreed with all the points it's just that when you put it together as slightly makes you think that you know somehow I've conflated children and handicapped people and women even though I clearly didn't all right so this was Caleb's other point so his question was how do you possibly defend these things and of course that's what I just did now having heard these let's run through the list for those of you who were nice enough to stay for the whole thing is number one I regularly repair it appear on Infowars true but an of context I regularly appear on all the all the shows CNN etc because I like talking to audiences especially that don't agree with me so we so the first one is fake news by leaving out the context second one defended Holocaust deniers just 100% false so that was just fake news so the first two are just fake news believes in the Seth rich conspiracy not true because the ceteris conspiracy implies I think a clear implication all the way from Hillary Clinton order to hit etc whereas I have a nuanced feeling that I don't know anything about why Hillary may or may not done there's no evidence I've seen that would suggest she ordered a hit but there are two competing thought anyway I already talked about that so that one is fake news by making it bigger than actually what I do believe for claimed hillary was likely to trigger away trace war and caused an uptick in domestic racial violence we all witness that so that was a correct prediction i don't know even know why it's on the list of criticisms when it's objectively clearly true and then the last one i just went through where i was intentionally being offensive I thought people would realize it was supposed to be funny but here's the funny part the thing that offended people about my statement that men hold back when they argue with women is that I said the push back would be too too violent you know there would be too much of a cost to argue with women and what happened when I said that there was too much of a cost so in pushing back Caleb just made my point my point is you can't talk about this sort of thing without getting in too much trouble do you know what would have happened if I had said this sort of thing about men see my point was so that you can argue with men with low risk but arguing with women is a higher risk do you know what would have happened if I'd said the same offensive things about men well you don't have to wonder because the same blog post had offensive things about men in it why did he pull those out it was actually an offensive post about men that was the main context of the post he pulled out the one thing that was offensive to someone else so anyway he proved my point anyway that was so I hope this is not too self-serving I called my shots ahead of this I told you yesterday early that people would be coming after me with lots of made-up stories and that they would be they would be remarkable and they might even sound real when you heard them don't you think that anybody who read these these points and of context without my explanation don't you think they would believe them well you don't have to wonder about it because every major publication except Billboard I think I think billboard is the only one who got the the facts right but that would make something like seven and of eight major publications got everything about me wrong they called me a men's rights activist because I once made fun of men's rights activist that's it I once made fun of them and so therefore I am one and they call me far-right when I'm closer to far left so if you're wondering how prevalent is fake news look no further than this example where you just saw a whole page of it just about me right in front of you and I told you it was going to happen and then it happened and it's pretty easy to demonstrate that it's fake they are afraid of you Scott well are they afraid of me the this latest this latest blow up I don't think was about me here's what I think it was I think it was about Kanye and I think it was about people telling him he couldn't leave his bucket now the problem with telling Kanye he can't leave his thought bucket is that his entire messages hey you people you're stuck in a thought bucket so every time they criticize Kanye for being you know for leaving his thought bucket they are validating his entire point and they're bringing him one step closer to the presidency whether they like it or not let me give you some persuasion advice it's it's become very popular for people on the right to say that the Democrats are doing some kind of what do they call it there are things there are a few phrases they use but keeping the black voters on the you know the Democratic plantation or something so there there's a couple different ways they say it but they're both allusions to slavery I find those you have the plantation I would abandon that as a phrase that you want to use if you're trying to be persuasive I think it's working against you here's what you don't want to say if the other side already thinks you're a bunch of racists plantation right if you believe that people are rational then then your analogy about how it's you know sort of analogous to slavery but it's a slavery of the mind I get the concept and and so the the analogy is not that bad but here's the problem people are not smart you know they don't follow logic exactly you know we're not a logical species all of us not not just other people all of us we're not rational so we don't follow that concept very well we get it but it's not persuasive analogies have I ever told you that analogies are not persuasive all right but Association is persuasive and people didn't like the association of you know Kanye agree with Candace Owens agreeing with you know conservatives etc it was a Association problem so when the people on the right say hey you Democrats you're trying to keep african-americans on the plantation what you've really done is the people on the right who use those words like plantation have associated themselves with slavery so they've worsened their own reputation and they have not influenced the other side right so every time somebody on the right uses that analogy of you know on the plantation slavery you are making things not just a little worse a lot lot worse in terms of persuasion mistakes that would be close to a 10 you know 10 out of 10 yeah so you want to you want to leave that language behind look at the language that Kanye uses for a good example you know break here at the mental prison even prison made me a little uncomfortable you know because there's a racial disparity in prisons so I didn't like that but it's so visual I I was willing to put up with it Oh somebody say what about if you are black can you talk about the plantation you can with less risk than if somebody on the right uses the same words so that's true I would still not do it because I don't know how many times I'll say this but it's about the past we we just need to release on that release on the analogies just release on the past let's just deal with what we have right now and what we have right now gives us a set of opportunities and a set of problems why can't we deal with them why do we even need to talk about the past let me tell you the other dumbest thing that the right does it I don't think there's anything that makes me more angry at the people on the right than what I'm going to say right now because and and it's not because I disagree with the facts or anything it's because it's just such a bad way to think about the world and it's this somebody will say hey those those KKK people are all Trump supporters you know you saw the KKK had a all of 27 people gathered and of course it was national news and part of the news was you know Howard Dean said oh these are Trump supporters Trump space now people on the right like to respond to that by showing the history that the KKK is really a democratic invention that if you go back far enough in time the KKK was more Democrats now whether or not that's true I think it is true it doesn't fricking matter it just doesn't matter it's just the past stop arguing about the past because do you know what if you go back far enough there was a caveman who hit another caveman on the head with dick doesn't frickin matter it's not here alright those Democrats who were in the KKK all dead well maybe not all of them just doesn't matter it's just the past alright if it's true that there are some you know KKK here today in marching well that matters yeah doesn't matter much because there were 27 of them n of a country of 300 million but well you just gotta let go of the past just kind of let go how do you respond to this lie it's not a lie it's it's literally true that the the folks you know there's several categories of people would be called racists they are more likely to be Republicans let me explain the complicated reason why some people like immigration toughness for economic reasons some of them like it because it less and fewer brown people it's how hard to understand that the racists have a preference why wouldn't races have preferences they were either gonna like the Democrats or the Republicans they were good they were gonna like one or the other it just doesn't matter why they like it they like it for a different reason absurd over oversimplification yeah it also doesn't matter that other people agree with you for different reasons that's not an important fact you know if if I think the world is round because I learned it in school and you think the world is round because you've figured it out because you sailed the ship and you know you you know the and the the horizon disappeared it doesn't matter now we got to the same place we can both fly plane around the world that was the worst analogy ever a good example of why you shouldn't use analogies and immigrants are not just brown somebody says that is true what are all the racist republicans hiding i don't understand the question and by the way is it my imagination or did the great alleged racist republicans look at kanye west and say ah maybe it is there is there any racist republican who doesn't love what you know Candice Owens is saying I think Candice and Kanye both put the lie to the the racial framing that all Republicans are racist because look how easy it was look how amazingly easy it was for Republicans to embrace the ideas of both of these people without embracing everything that they were about you know nobody said we love everything that Kanye's done you know done in all of his personal life or whatever we simply Republicans simply said I like this idea I like this thing he said why can't you like the good stuff let me ask you this if if an african-american ran for president on the Republican side let's say after Trump's second term if you want to think of it that way just just to make Trump not part of the decision let's say it's after his second second term if an african-american Republican got into the primaries and you know Goss and purchase is there anybody here because most of you are conservatives probably 95 percent - watching this is there anybody watching this who would not vote for a qualified african-american Republican candidate who had normal Republican views your most many of you are you know you're anonymous is there anybody here who would fail to vote for them because black yeah so all right let me let me rephrase it so it's easier to answer yeah you're getting confused what's the s and what's the no I think you're all saying the same thing I think I'm seeing a hundred percent agreement that the Republican Party would absolutely get behind an african-american president I believe that's always been the case and you know I've spent you know how many hours if I spent interacting with the base you know that the the most Republican of the Republican the most conservative the conservative more Republican than conservative if you look at the people I've interacted with but here's another little mind blower for you for for about 48 hours Republicans were going crazy talking about Kanye and about Candace I never heard anybody say a racist remark about either one of them did you and I'm talking about Twitter I'm talking about you know Twitter is the place where all racist remarks go to live you know it's I didn't hear anybody I didn't hear a single Republican make a derogatory racial remark about either those people why because they like their ideas boom and the story and I think it's kind of I can't I think it broke some brains I think it broke some brains that the Republican Party is far more idea based than race based because I think the people on the left you know if have learned to see the world through the the filter of gender and race and it's hard for them to imagine that Republicans at least the majority you know not counting the you know the the racist minority but the the basic generic Republican is is pretty it is pretty idea based not race based yeah people from the left were pretty angry that there could be any kind of a you know a meeting of the minds on ideas that just seemed Tom Arnold yeah so you saw you saw some horrible things that on the left but I don't think I saw one negative thing about Kanye's ideas yeah there are there were people who obviously Saturday is a you know he's not a serious politician and I would agree with that yet he's also young so here's what I'd say about Kanye if you say he'll never be president because he doesn't have you know the experience the background doesn't know enough about politics or whatever that's probably all true if you say he can't he can't acquire that stuff in eight years well you are really wrong because in eight years he could be the most qualified person in the pack if he wants to he would just have to want to and then focus on it and let me ask you this would you say it's true that president Trump's presidency makes kanye west's presidency more likely it does doesn't it don't you think the fact that President Trump got became president it makes it far more likely that Kanye would be considered a serious candidate and that people would say yeah he could do a good job because you have to see at least one non politician you know get in there and do something that people liked all right Ben Shapiro is super skeptical of Kanye skepticism is exactly the right position I make it a habit not to disagree with some people that you know some specific people like I tried not to disagree with ya Dershowitz or Ben Shapiro yeah I'm sure there are a few others but generally my first reaction is if if I feel like I'm going to disagree I immediately changed my opinion to their opinion so I sound smarter so you should be skeptical today that Kanye West could be President for example that would be entirely appropriate you should all be skeptical but if you think he can't get to that place where he would be a valid candidate and make a difference I say the evidence suggests otherwise you know his his mastery of the talents tax his mastery of persuasion his understanding of people the way he's tapped into the zeitgeist the way he understands everything from you know product design all the way through you know music writing producing you know the the promotional part of it the live events every part of what Kanye has mastered is in the world of persuasion you know design is persuasion the way he packages himself it's all persuasion it's not an accident that we're talking about him instead of someone else that's all persuasion and that level of talent that is so broad and and fits all the right types of persuasion if you think he can't get there if he wants it that you should not be skeptical about he can get there if he wants it would he win would he make a difference would he be a good president we can't know those things but certainly he has the capability bum-bum-bum yeah I need to start doing some podcasts with other people I should start doing that again I was waiting for something to happen and I think it's almost happened all right is it right anything else happening that's important oh yeah let's talk about North Korea I'll give you a bonus North Korea thing so I've also told you that the most credible voice I hear talking about North Korea is Gordon Chang so whenever he's got an article or he has an interview you know I go to it like a bullet because everything he says is reasonable and well informed or at least it comes off that way to me now while he was saying is that there's a concern and I don't know what what level of risk to put on that so that's what we're going to talk about that North Korea is only pretending to play nice with South Korea so that they can do something like a reunification which will end up with North Korea in charge of South Korea personally I see that risk as close to zero there's nothing nothing as zero but that's pretty close to zero and here's why they're roughly twice as many South Koreans as North Koreans and certainly any kind of reunification is going to be you know a democratically inspired system so they're so South Korea is not going to vote North Korea into power when they have literally double the number of citizens they also the South Koreans also have all of the money so at any kind of a popularity contest they're going to have persuasion and once they open up communication and people people in the North get to have news for the first time there really isn't any chance the Kim jong-un is going to be the leader of a unified North Korea you know I don't want to say there's zero chance but if that's what we're worrying about that's a pretty good place to be you know imagine we went from worrying that North Korea could launch a nuclear weapon at me you know in California at me and blow me up and a nuclear bomb and it could happen you know within days that's what we were worrying about a few months ago today a I always say it's a legitimate conversation but one of the things we're worried about is that 51 million South Koreans would lose out to 24 million North Koreans in a democratic process that would take a long time to work out etc.

I just don't see that as a risk right now I suppose it's possible you could make some kind of accidental weird mistake crafting your constitution that gave the North way more power than it should have for the size of its citizenship I suppose it's pause it possible I mean I can't even think about you do that but maybe you know it would be something dumb like you know giving one vote well actually they could you know if they came up with something like an electoral college that artificially gave North Korea you know as much power as South Korea I suppose I could happen but I don't see them making that kind of a mistake they aren't going to be United silly talk I am predicting that they will be United but I have recommended what I call the hundred year plan so that the current people will be dead before the hard decisions have to be made and Society will have you know decades to just sort of get used to it and figure out how to make it work but in the short term they can have lots of communication and lots of cooperation that would be country like where they're making the final decisions that are going to be hard Iran says zero negotiations if we pull out yeah so Iran is talking tough I'm gonna have to can I have to confess that of you know all of the topics that are in the headlines probably one that I understand the least is the Iran nuclear deal so I feel like I need to bring myself up to speed on some of the key points of that to form an opinion because I don't yet have an opinion whether the deal we have is a good one or a bad one no I read the criticisms and I understand that there are lots of smart people who say oh my god this deal is horrible and I don't discount that but I also haven't seen the reasons yet or at least not not consolidated in a place where I can see you know the Pro and the con and make a my own decision but I will tell you this there's almost no chance that we can't improve on the deal so if what Trump is saying is you know three quarters of a deal isn't good enough we should we should take it to something that really could last and make a difference and really work I would listen to that conversation but I don't have an independent opinion yet by the way I do most of you I'd be a bit curious how many of you think the Iran deal is unambiguously bad give me your opinions how many think the current Iran deal is so bad let's say so bad that we should walk away yeah I think all of you are going to say that now I worry that this is you know what we're seeing is just team sport abhi because I can't believe that most of you understand the Iran deal well enough to have an informed opinion some of you do certainly but how many of you well let's let's let me change the question now here's a new question I'll wait for your answers to end so that they don't get confused with the last question all right so stop answering the question of whether you like the deal all right so no more answering the question about whether you like the Iran deal here's the next question do you feel that you personally understand the rate the Iran deal all of its ramifications the ins and outs well enough to have an informed opinion how many of you believe you have an informed opinion about the Iran deal raise your hand if you have an informed opinion there's a little delay here so all right yes or no do you have an informed opinion about the Iran nuclear deal it got really quiet here didn't somebody saying okay nope nope nope one couple of yeses alright so so you saw what happened here if you're watching in the comments when I said do you think of the Iran deal is a bad deal it was close to a hundred percent agreement that it was a bad deal when I asked the same crowd do you think you understand the Iran deal enough to really know if it's a good or a bad deal seventy-five percent of you said you don't understand it so that's a pretty good indication that people have lined up by team meaning that yeah somebody just said I trust to trump and if he says it's bad and that's that's not unreasonable so don't take any of this as a criticism if your opinion is that the people you trust to know what a good deal looks like to say it's not a good deal and you just agree with the experts that's not unreasonable but I was just curious how many of you felt you independently understood the the situation well enough personally I am influenced by the fact that President Trump says it's a bad deal but I would put this spin on it he would say it's a bad deal even if he thought it was a pretty good deal that could be a little bit better so in Trump says it's the worst deal in the world you have to you know mentally adjust if for hyperbole to say okay does that really mean it's just the worst deal in the world or does that mean it's got a few things he needs to fix and saying it's the worst thing in the world and we're gonna walk away from it it's a way to fix those few things let's say that the IC wasn't it the long-term the long-range missiles that are somewhat the issue so you have to worry about how the experts are are phrasing it because they're trying to persuade they're both trying to persuade Iran and they're trying to persuade the public so you're not really getting nor should you get right this is also not a criticism if President Trump does not give you a an objective accurate impression of the Iran deal that is not a problem it's really not his job to inform us of the details if doing so to inform us accurately if doing so is bad for the country and it's it's America first right make America great again the president doesn't work for Iran he works for America so when he when he describes a problem his description is not intended to be accurate it is intended to get the best result for America so if you trusted him that this deal is the worst thing you've ever seen keep in mind he wasn't really talking to you he was talking to Iran and he's negotiating so it could be and this is my I'll say this is a preliminary opinion which I could quite easily get moved to from my guess is that we've got a 75% good deal and that the 25% we don't have is pretty important and it would be completely reasonable and the fact I would expect it for people like Bolton and Trump to say now we're walking away it's we're steel in the world you know we'd rather be in a nuclear confrontation than to accept this deal you know so keep in mind that there's a positioning thing going on here that conceals how you know conceal some of the objective facts I I'll tell you one thing I would say for sure if if Iran as a public government preference is still saying you know let's let's end israel so the way that iran talks about israel and what they're doing with hamas and all the things that they're doing to bring trouble and/or an end to israel if all those things are happening then i would say there's no such thing as a good nuclear deal you know if it leaves out anything so the only deal with iran there would be a good one in the context of them actively trying to you know end israel is you know a hundred percent you you got it you got to stop doing all of it yeah there's no such thing as okay you're 90 percent good but only 10 percent you're trying to destroy israel that's no good you can't leave 10 percent on the table of 10 percent trying to destroy a neighboring country with your long-range missiles or whatever you're doing so you kind of have to go for a hundred percent certainty on your deals of what you're not allowing because of the way they're talking now imagine if I ran imagine if Iran had completely changed its I know it's government or its or its opinion on Israel and said alright we give up Israel's there you know we're gonna recognize you and support you would you then be okay with the Iran deal let's let's say Iran stopped funding Hamas that's not gonna happen but let her yeah let's say they Hezbollah I'm sorry let's say they stopped funding Hezbollah they stopped you know being anti-israel and let's say they let's say Iran recognized Israel it recognized the right to exist did it publicly and officially would you then still have a problem with them having long-range missiles probably yes because you know they might have problems with Saudi Arabia or somebody else but you would certainly look at it differently so I think as long as Iran is talking you know talking against Israel there's no such thing as a deal that's good enough yeah there's no such thing as well it's pretty good that just won't be a concept if they're still talking about destroying Israel but remember the Golden Age is when we realize that most of our problems are psychological the problem with Iran and Israel is entirely psychological and therefore I believe that President Trump is maybe the first president who ever had at least a chance of making something good happen there we've never had the right team in place now we do we'll see what happens is there any other way to support 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hey everybody do you have your delicious

cup of coffee I sure hope you do come on

in here all right it's time for this

simultaneous set you know a few days ago

I was actually thinking to myself man

things got boring nothing's happening

and then I wake up yesterday morning and

I see a text from somebody saying you

know what do you think of that about

Kanye and I thought to myself at 5:30 in

the morning or whenever I was waking up

why would I be thinking about Kanye

right now at 5:30 in the morning and

then I checked my Twitter feed and I saw

that Kanye West had retweeted my video

in which I was talking about him in

Candace Owens at 9 separate times with

nine different clips out of it which of

course made the world blow up because

you know it looked like worlds were

colliding and you know dogs were

marrying cats and you know it was

raining and on fire at the same time and

yeah you know it was it was daytime and

night simultaneously and and people

didn't seem to be happy about the fact I

mean think about what made people angry

and I hate to put it in these terms but

what I do you you're gonna see that this

is exactly what happened there were lots

of you know lots of noise and lots of

complaints but it really came down to

this the reason people were really

unhappy is that I was that Kanye West

and I would just agree on something and

it feels racial why don't know if it is

but it just feels racial that the fact

that we would both have just a

reasonable well explained reason

for believing that the past should not

influence our decisions so much in the

present perfectly reasonable thing to

think but somehow it's not okay

if Kanye has that very ordinary thought

at the same time that I do or at the

same time somehow the world is not okay

with that

so as I predicted the of the Long Knives

would come out for me and that the the

fake news stories would would be a

rampant so I was right of course so the

Internet is now full of stories about me

which are largely false now you may have

seen the BuzzFeed

I think BuzzFeed was calling me

far-right men's rights advocate as you

know neither of those are true both fake

news I think mediate did spin did Al

duck I think they were about the a/v

Club probably about several other

publications came after me and I don't

know if they just Google the other

publications whoever went first but they

all had the same bad set of stories so

one of them

this guy calleb a karma at mediate I

think who Dave Rubin refers to as quote

an embarrassment to journalism I love

Dave and and he definitely captured it

right so calleb a karma who's forever

name is embarrassment to journalism or

ETJ we could just call him etj from now

embarrassment to journalism he he

printed several specific criticisms of

me

and he challenged me on Twitter to deny

that any of these were true now Twitter

is not a really good platform for a you

know a long conversation so I just said

that I would take it to periscope or as

I like to call it the home-field

advantage

so that when I talk about it there's

nobody interrupting me and I can you

know I can give you the full explanation

so I'm going to give you the full list

of come

about me that are alleged to be true

from calleb a karma and mediate who Dave

Rubin quite correctly calls an

embarrassment to journalism now you

could decide yourself if he's an

embarrassment to journalism by seeing my

response to his criticisms when I'm done

you'll either say my god Scott he

certainly is right you're an

embarrassment to periscope or I think

you might say ETA G is a J is an

embarrassment to journalism here's the

number one thing which he says as a

criticism to me number one regularly

appeared on the conspiracy site Infowars

technically correct I have appeared on

in for several times also technically

correct but left out is that my stated

policy is to go on any platform so I've

been on CNN a number of times I've been

on MSNBC I've been seated you know I've

been on pretty much every liberal

platform I was booked on one this

morning this morning I was supposed to

be on Yahoo no news but they had a

scheduling problem so is it true that

I've regularly appeared on the

conspiracy site info worse now

conspiracy site is his word I'm not

gonna argue whether that's correct but I

have appeared on Infowars if you only

knew that it would sound like well

there's proof he's you know he's a

far-right guy

but if you knew what I say publicly

friendly often and I demonstrate as

obviously as possible that I appear on

any major platform why why would I

appear on Infowars unless I agree with

every single thing they've ever said

here's why and I know this is not

obvious to Calabar karma because he's an

embarrassment to journalism but here's

why I would appear on their platform

they invite me on Infowars to give

my opinion to their followers and to

them right Infowars does not invite me

on the show to tell me what they're

thinking they bring me on to tell them

what I'm thinking and to the extent that

you think am i I'm a good influence even

if you thought Infowars was a horrible

you know blight on humanity wouldn't you

want them to be subject to better

influences such as myself who describes

himself as far left all right so does

Infowars have other people on the show

who are who described themselves as far

left maybe I know that they might but

that would be exactly what you'd want to

see you know wouldn't wouldn't callable

want to see people from another opinion

on I didn't forth all right let me

clarify what I say that I'm left to

Bernie

here's what I mean by that I would like

to see universal health care I think we

can't be a great country without it I'd

like to see free education in training

for a lifetime but I don't think we can

get there through taxes so what where I

differ from Bernie and socialists is I

don't want to take it from the rich I

don't want to I don't want to tax I

think technology and better management

and being smarter can get us to those

places even if it takes a while so those

are the two examples where I'm far left

to Bernie but without the impractical

stuff now some of you are saying

libertarian but it is certainly not

libertarian to have the government

helping us get to universal health care

and free education and training all

right but that's another topic just just

tell you where I stand on the spectrum

number two from Kayla been Karma the

embarrassment to journalism is defended

Holocaust deniers so he's saying

this is very clear criticism he's saying

that I defended Holocaust deniers never

not once

nothing slightly like that never here's

here's an actual journalist in public

saying that I personally have quote

defended Holocaust deniers I've never

done anything like that now the article

that he's referring to I say in clear

language you know no serious person

denies the Holocaust I can't get more

clear than that now in that same article

I talked about this was before I was

using the word persuasion in a lot of my

blogging but this was related to the

topic before I had sort of branded it

that way and I when I was questioning

was one very narrow thing which is how

exact is the count of the number of

people who died in the Holocaust and the

point of it was we act like it's exact

but what are the odds is something that

would be that hard to measure you'd have

a really good number for but it doesn't

really matter does it when we talk about

world war 2 itself people say we don't

know how many people died in World War

two it might be somewhere between like

50 and 60 million maybe somewhere in

that but knowing that it's somewhere in

that range doesn't make anybody a world

war ii denier because they don't know

the exact number somebody's saying

please stop because I I think you know

that it's impossible to talk about this

topic where that was sounding like a

Holocaust denier but I'll say as clearly

as possible I'm not one would not

support anybody who was one it's clearly

you know a fact and but it is also a

fact that when you see a large

organization or group trying to get an

exact count of something that that's

that is that hard to count

it's probably an

nation which doesn't change anything

all right number three my critic says

that I believe the Seth rich conspiracy

well that's a that's a vague statement

because what is the conspiracy is it a

conspiracy well let me tell you what I

do believe so just to be clear on this

so if you're talking about the Seth rich

conspiracy you're talking about

everything from he took the data gave it

to WikiLeaks and then Hillary Clinton

you know put a hit on him and had him

murdered I do not believe Hillary

Clinton put a hit on Seth rich all right

I haven't seen any evidence of that

I do believe here's the part I do

believe that the the two competing

stories for what happened what is sort

of the Russia did it gusoff her etc is

one set of you know explanations and the

Seth rich had a thumb drive and he got

the data and gave it to WikiLeaks is

another is another story that's out

there so what I believe is that one of

those stories fits the the facts which

we have been given much better than the

other and the Russia did his story

unfortunately requires us to believe our

intelligence agencies were unbiased and

honest and accurate and they're not

really credible at the moment so so the

sources the say it was gusoff ur and

they did it are by their nature they're

no longer credible now that's different

from being wrong they could be right but

they're not credible because they've you

know there are too many things in the

news at the moment that would question

their credibility

WikiLeaks however has a long record of

being credible you could hate it or love

them but at least they've been credible

and Assange has made it very clear he's

hinted in a way that makes it clear he's

he wants you to believe it that set

was a source for WikiLeaks that doesn't

make it true

all right so we can know what really

happened nor could we ever know we can

only know what other people told us

happen and we have questionable

credibility in a lot of cases so if you

compared Assange is clear indication

that seth rich was a source and

wikileaks has a long record of not being

wrong that's one source this supports

one story that it was seth rich the

other version is that russia did it and

all the people involved with that our

Locrian ability so we have two stories

one has tremendously low credibility one

has so far a plus credibility my

position on South Ridge is at least on

just the narrow question of whether he

was the source for the data is that the

you know we could talk all day about the

the other details but there's there's

just a stronger case for seth rich being

involved there murder part there's no

evidence that that you know hillary was

behind the murder it's just a the timing

is questionable but there are a lot of

things that would be questionable timing

if you looked at them from a distance so

that doesn't mean anything all right

so where where my critic says he

believes the seth rich conspiracy that

that makes it sound like i'm buying all

the parts of it and it also presumes the

answer by calling it a conspiracy you've

dismissed it without regard to the

evidence i could have his easily said

well Caleb are you buying the Russia I

did it conspiracy so you know if you

label it a conspiracy in your statement

you're you're sort of assuming the

answer there all right now before

claimed Hillary was quote now he's

quoting me from maybe a blog post or

something was quote likely to trigger a

race war and cause the quote uptick in

domestic racial violence to win the

election

well I've talked about that at length

and of course that's true but it's also

something I believe he would agree with

if he were not dishonest when Hillary

Clinton started describing Trump as a

racist people believed it and when she

took all of the confirmation bias of

theirs his time he awkwardly said this

there's the there's the dog whistle that

I can hear that you can't there's the

time he did something thirty years ago

when she put it all together she created

this ultra scary vision of Trump being a

dangerous racist and it did cause an

immense amount of racial unrest now I

too have criticized candidate Trump and

now President Trump for not handling

race relations well but let's be honest

the challenge for him is much higher

than for other people because the

quality of the opposition was first-rate

I wrote into my book when Bigley that

when the Trump the when the Clinton team

started using the word dark which I

believe came from a cognitive scientist

who said dark is a great word it

captures all of these bad you know

racist dangerous things when he started

doing that Hillary was intentionally

whipping up racial feelings the natural

risk of that is that the bad racial

feeling was turned into violence and I

think I think we did see violence so his

criticism is that I made a prediction

that is unambiguously true would he

disagree that there have been more

racial tensions lately the party would

disagree with is that Hillary Clinton

was behind them now this is what I call

the one variable thinker anybody who

thinks that there's only one variable

behind anything that happens is not

really a serious thinker you need all

the variables to happen for anything

really

important happen in this case the

variable was President Trump had to

handle race relations stuff not as well

as he could and that happened right but

the second thing that had to happen is

that somebody had to package that as my

god it's the biggest problem in the

world he's a huge racist he's going to

do terrible things so Hillary did the

heavy lifting of packaging that as a big

major problem what Trump did was make

mistakes that allowed that to happen but

if Trump had simply done what Trump did

and the news media this is an important

point if the news media and the Clinton

campaign had simply noted what the

president said without comment in other

words without adding the persuasion to

it the public would say well that

sounded like a weird way to say that

that bothers me a little bit yeah I'll

think about something else

so what President Trump does in terms of

the way he couches you know race

relations and everything else the way he

speaks about race all of those things

might have bothered us a little bit if

other people hadn't told us how bothered

we should be so the part that Caleb

doesn't understand is the effectiveness

of the criticism the critics are very

effective and they have created a a

package that is quite persuasive you you

know you you don't get you don't get oh

my god Trump's a huge racist just by

what he's doing you need other people to

package it explain it you know and put a

bow on it and without that stuff you

don't get the racial unrest of the

violence and then he said so here's

another poll quote before I read this

one let me give you some context there

was a time early in my blogging career

when I used to try to intentionally say

things that were provocative and will

get people really wound up but I would

say them in a way if I

craft them right that they would be

really wound up about something they

agreed with right and it's it's a hard

thing to do so I was trying to say

something that people would completely

agree with all the parts of it and even

the larger thought but even while

they're agreeing with it they would get

really mad at it because I thought that

would be frankly entertaining but I

didn't know that it would haunt me

forever so I'm gonna I'm gonna classify

this as a rookie mistake and here's how

it was expressed years later - here's

how this is expressed so this is a caleb

big karma again the embarrassment to

journalism who says he's quoting me well

let me give this to you without the

controversial wording and see if you

agree with the thoughts right then I'll

tell you how I worded it and watch how

you go from well I agreed with

everything you just said - my god you're

offensive all right watch it watch this

watch how I do this so here are the

things he's quoting I'll just reword

them into a way that I think you'll

agree with adults do not treat children

the way they treat other adults that's

not controversial is it the way you were

going to treat let's say a six-year-old

should be probably different than you

would treat an adult wouldn't you say

that would be true okay so that's the

first thing that he's saying is horrible

that an adult would treat a child

differently than an adult the second

thing he finds quite horrible and I'll

tell you how these are related these are

separate thoughts but I'll show you how

they're related in a minute

I said that a a normal nice human being

would not treat someone who had a let's

say a serious mental problem would not

treat them the same as someone who

didn't so somebody was suffering from a

you know a very major mental disability

you would not get in an argument with

them for example you know because

there's nothing to be gained from that

now you would agree with that right if

you're a nice regular human being you're

not going to get in an argument with

somebody who is mentally incapable and

you know it there's no debate there at

all third thing I said is that men will

hesitate to argue with women with the

same let's say the same enthusiasm that

they would argue with other men now the

thinking behind this is that men

typically will argue with each other

almost like a sport so and you see this

you see this on Twitter every day right

when men are debating men we see it

almost like a sport and then people will

join my team on Twitter and like yeah

here comes you know here comes one of my

teammates to make a good point and you

know we're making a good point over here

and look what that other team is doing

so we tend to see that as a sort of a

almost a sport however when it goes

across gender sometimes it changes so my

statement which became the controversial

part is that men will hesitate to get in

the same kind of an argument about

anything substantive with women because

the penalty is higher so here's the the

controversial statement the men on

average believe that the penalty for

arguing with a woman about anything

important is higher than the penalty for

arguing with another man now probably

all men would agree with that it would

be hard to find a man who would it would

disagree with that there yeah there's

always somebody will disagree with a

thing but as a generality right now lots

of people will say well we shouldn't be

like that or I know somebody who isn't

or you know I'm not like that or I try

not to be like that that's all true I'm

talking generalities as a generality men

will pull their punches

that's a terrible phrase let me let me

men

erase pull their punches because I don't

want to make this sound like physical

abuse because that's not the topic men

when they're arguing with women will

hold back and if you talk to men and

just ask them they will agree but the

trick is he probably has to be a man

asking another man because if a woman

asks a man if he holds back when arguing

with a woman do you know what he's going

to say whatever you want

he's probably not going to give an

honest answer so that's so those are

three things I said which I believe

everyone would agree with you don't talk

to a child the way you talk to an adult

you don't deal with someone who has a

severe mental handicap the way you would

deal with somebody else and men are

hesitant to argue with full force

against women because there's a bigger

penalty they feel now those things you

don't disagree with but here's so

remember the the background here was I

tried to say things back then because I

thought it was entertaining maybe just

for me to say things that people would

agree with but say it in a way that

would make them angry at it at the same

time so now I'm going to take those

three things you just agreed with and

I'm going to put it in the offensive

forum so here's the offensive forum I

took those three things I just said how

men treat children mentally handicapped

and women and then I provocatively put

them in the same sentence to make

everybody angry and I said the women are

treated differently by society for

exactly the same reason that children

and the mentally handicapped are treated

differently it's just easier this way

for everyone now think about how

offensive that is now people take

offensiveness and they say okay if

you're offensive then you're also a

misogynist you're also a bigot those are

really different things

I'm definitely offensive but in this

case I was offensive intentionally and I

thought it was obvious why

all right when I wrote it I thought okay

everybody's gonna know that I'm putting

these three things that don't belong

together in the same sentence because

when you read it it's gonna be really

offensive but you won't disagree with

any of it and you didn't write because I

I just went through it you agreed with

all the points it's just that when you

put it together as slightly makes you

think that you know somehow I've

conflated children and handicapped

people and women even though I clearly

didn't all right so this was Caleb's

other point so his question was how do

you possibly defend these things and of

course that's what I just did now having

heard these let's run through the list

for those of you who were nice enough to

stay for the whole thing is number one I

regularly repair it appear on Infowars

true but an of context I regularly

appear on all the all the shows CNN etc

because I like talking to audiences

especially that don't agree with me

so we so the first one is fake news by

leaving out the context second one

defended Holocaust deniers just 100%

false so that was just fake news so the

first two are just fake news

believes in the Seth rich conspiracy not

true because the ceteris conspiracy

implies I think a clear implication all

the way from Hillary Clinton order to

hit etc whereas I have a nuanced feeling

that I don't know anything about why

Hillary may or may not done there's no

evidence I've seen that would suggest

she ordered a hit but there are two

competing thought anyway I already

talked about that so that one is fake

news by making it bigger than actually

what I do believe for claimed hillary

was likely to trigger away trace war and

caused an uptick in domestic racial

violence we all witness that so that was

a correct prediction i don't know even

know why it's on the list of criticisms

when it's objectively clearly true

and then the last one i just went

through where i was intentionally being

offensive

I thought people would realize it was

supposed to be funny but here's the

funny part

the thing that offended people about my

statement that men hold back when they

argue with women is that I said the push

back would be too too violent you know

there would be too much of a cost to

argue with women and what happened when

I said that there was too much of a cost

so in pushing back Caleb just made my

point my point is you can't talk about

this sort of thing without getting in

too much trouble do you know what would

have happened if I had said this sort of

thing about men see my point was so that

you can argue with men with low risk but

arguing with women is a higher risk do

you know what would have happened if I'd

said the same offensive things about men

well you don't have to wonder because

the same blog post had offensive things

about men in it why did he pull those

out it was actually an offensive post

about men that was the main context of

the post he pulled out the one thing

that was offensive to someone else so

anyway he proved my point

anyway that was so I hope this is not

too self-serving I called my shots ahead

of this I told you yesterday early that

people would be coming after me with

lots of made-up stories and that they

would be they would be remarkable and

they might even sound real when you

heard them don't you think that anybody

who read these these points and of

context without my explanation don't you

think they would believe them well you

don't have to wonder about it because

every major publication except Billboard

I think I think billboard is the only

one who got the the facts right but that

would make something like seven and of

eight major publications got everything

about me wrong they called me a men's

rights activist because I once made fun

of men's rights

activist that's it I once made fun of

them and so therefore I am one and they

call me far-right when I'm closer to far

left so if you're wondering how

prevalent is fake news look no further

than this example where you just saw a

whole page of it just about me right in

front of you and I told you it was going

to happen and then it happened and it's

pretty easy to demonstrate that it's

fake they are afraid of you Scott well

are they afraid of me the this latest

this latest blow up I don't think was

about me here's what I think it was I

think it was about Kanye and I think it

was about people telling him he couldn't

leave his bucket now the problem with

telling Kanye he can't leave his thought

bucket is that his entire messages hey

you people you're stuck in a thought

bucket so every time they criticize

Kanye for being you know for leaving his

thought bucket they are validating his

entire point and they're bringing him

one step closer to the presidency

whether they like it or not let me give

you some persuasion advice it's it's

become very popular for people on the

right to say that the Democrats are

doing some kind of what do they call it

there are things there are a few phrases

they use but keeping the black voters on

the you know the Democratic plantation

or something so there there's a couple

different ways they say it but they're

both allusions to slavery I find those

you have the plantation I would abandon

that as a phrase that you want to use if

you're trying to be persuasive

I think it's working against you here's

what you don't want to say if the other

side already thinks you're a bunch of

racists plantation right if you believe

that people are rational then then your

analogy about how it's you know sort of

analogous to slavery but it's a slavery

of the mind I get the concept and and so

the the analogy is not that bad but

here's the problem

people are not smart you know they don't

follow logic exactly you know we're not

a logical species all of us not not just

other people all of us we're not

rational so we don't follow that concept

very well we get it but it's not

persuasive analogies have I ever told

you that analogies are not persuasive

all right but Association is persuasive

and people didn't like the association

of you know Kanye agree with Candace

Owens agreeing with you know

conservatives etc it was a Association

problem so when the people on the right

say hey you Democrats you're trying to

keep african-americans on the plantation

what you've really done is the people on

the right who use those words like

plantation have associated themselves

with slavery

so they've worsened their own reputation

and they have not influenced the other

side right so every time somebody on the

right uses that analogy of you know on

the plantation slavery you are making

things not just a little worse a lot lot

worse in terms of persuasion mistakes

that would be close to a 10 you know 10

out of 10 yeah so you want to you want

to leave that language behind look at

the language that Kanye uses for a good

example you know break here at the

mental prison

even prison made me a little

uncomfortable you know because

there's a racial disparity in prisons so

I didn't like that but it's so visual I

I was willing to put up with it

Oh somebody say what about if you are

black can you talk about the plantation

you can with less risk than if somebody

on the right uses the same words so

that's true I would still not do it

because I don't know how many times I'll

say this but it's about the past we we

just need to release on that release on

the analogies just release on the past

let's just deal with what we have right

now and what we have right now gives us

a set of opportunities and a set of

problems why can't we deal with them why

do we even need to talk about the past

let me tell you the other dumbest thing

that the right does it I don't think

there's anything that makes me more

angry at the people on the right than

what I'm going to say right now because

and and it's not because I disagree with

the facts or anything it's because it's

just such a bad way to think about the

world and it's this somebody will say

hey those those KKK people are all Trump

supporters you know you saw the KKK had

a all of 27 people gathered and of

course it was national news and part of

the news was you know Howard Dean said

oh these are Trump supporters Trump

space now people on the right like to

respond to that by showing the history

that the KKK is really a democratic

invention that if you go back far enough

in time the KKK was more Democrats now

whether or not that's true I think it is

true it doesn't fricking matter it just

doesn't matter it's just the past stop

arguing about the past because do you

know what if you go back far enough

there was a caveman who hit another

caveman on the head with

dick doesn't frickin matter it's not

here

alright those Democrats who were in the

KKK all dead well maybe not all of them

just doesn't matter it's just the past

alright if it's true that there are some

you know KKK here today in marching well

that matters yeah doesn't matter much

because there were 27 of them n of a

country of 300 million but well you just

gotta let go of the past just kind of

let go how do you respond to this lie

it's not a lie it's it's literally true

that the the folks you know there's

several categories of people would be

called racists they are more likely to

be Republicans let me explain the

complicated reason why some people like

immigration toughness for economic

reasons some of them like it because it

less and fewer brown people

it's how hard to understand that the

racists have a preference why wouldn't

races have preferences they were either

gonna like the Democrats or the

Republicans they were good they were

gonna like one or the other it just

doesn't matter why they like it they

like it for a different reason

absurd over oversimplification yeah

it also doesn't matter that other people

agree with you for different reasons

that's not an important fact you know if

if I think the world is round because I

learned it in school and you think the

world is round because you've figured it

out because you sailed the ship and you

know you you know the and the the

horizon disappeared it doesn't matter

now we got to the same place we can both

fly plane around the world that was the

worst analogy ever a good example of why

you shouldn't use analogies and

immigrants are not just brown somebody

says that is true what are all the

racist republicans hiding i don't

understand the question

and by the way is it my imagination or

did the great alleged racist republicans

look at kanye west and say ah maybe it

is there is there any racist republican

who doesn't love what you know Candice

Owens is saying I think Candice and

Kanye both put the lie to the the racial

framing that all Republicans are racist

because look how easy it was look how

amazingly easy it was for Republicans to

embrace the ideas of both of these

people without embracing everything that

they were about you know nobody said we

love everything that Kanye's done you

know done in all of his personal life or

whatever we simply Republicans simply

said I like this idea

I like this thing he said why can't you

like the good stuff let me ask you this

if if an african-american ran for

president on the Republican side let's

say after Trump's second term if you

want to think of it that way just just

to make Trump not part of the decision

let's say it's after his second second

term if an african-american Republican

got into the primaries and you know Goss

and purchase is there anybody here

because most of you are conservatives

probably 95 percent - watching this is

there anybody watching this who would

not vote for a qualified

african-american Republican candidate

who had normal Republican views your

most many of you are you know you're

anonymous is there anybody here who

would fail to vote for them because

black yeah so all right let me let me

rephrase it so it's easier to answer

yeah you're getting confused what's the

s and what's the no I think you're all

saying the same thing I think I'm seeing

a hundred percent agreement that the

Republican Party would absolutely get

behind an african-american president I

believe that's always been the case and

you know I've spent you know how many

hours if I spent interacting with the

base you know that the the most

Republican of the Republican the most

conservative the conservative more

Republican than conservative if you look

at the people I've interacted with but

here's another little mind blower for

you for for about 48 hours Republicans

were going crazy talking about Kanye and

about Candace I never heard anybody say

a racist remark about either one of them

did you and I'm talking about Twitter

I'm talking about you know Twitter is

the place where all racist remarks go to

live you know

it's I didn't hear anybody I didn't hear

a single Republican make a derogatory

racial remark about either those people

why because they like their ideas boom

and the story and I think it's kind of I

can't I think it broke some brains I

think it broke some brains that the

Republican Party is far more idea based

than race based because I think the

people on the left

you know if have learned to see the

world through the the filter of gender

and race and it's hard for them to

imagine that Republicans at least the

majority you know not counting the you

know the the racist minority but the the

basic generic Republican is is pretty it

is pretty idea based not race based yeah

people from the left were pretty angry

that there could be any kind of a you

know a meeting of the minds on ideas

that just seemed Tom Arnold yeah so you

saw you saw some horrible things that on

the left but I don't think I saw one

negative thing about Kanye's ideas yeah

there are there were people who

obviously Saturday is a you know he's

not a serious politician and I would

agree with that

yet he's also young so here's what I'd

say about Kanye if you say he'll never

be president because he doesn't have you

know the experience the background

doesn't know enough about politics or

whatever that's probably all true if you

say he can't he can't acquire that stuff

in eight years well you are really wrong

because in eight years he could be the

most qualified person in the pack if he

wants to he would just have to want to

and then focus on it

and let me ask you this would you say

it's true that president Trump's

presidency makes kanye west's presidency

more likely it does doesn't it

don't you think the fact that President

Trump got became president it makes it

far more likely that Kanye would be

considered a serious candidate and that

people would say yeah he could do a good

job because you have to see at least one

non politician you know get in there and

do something that people liked

all right Ben Shapiro is super skeptical

of Kanye skepticism is exactly the right

position I make it a habit not to

disagree with some people that you know

some specific people like I tried not to

disagree with ya

Dershowitz or Ben Shapiro yeah I'm sure

there are a few others but generally my

first reaction is if if I feel like I'm

going to disagree I immediately changed

my opinion to their opinion so I sound

smarter so you should be skeptical today

that Kanye West could be President for

example that would be entirely

appropriate you should all be skeptical

but if you think he can't get to that

place where he would be a valid

candidate and make a difference I say

the evidence suggests otherwise you know

his his mastery of the talents tax his

mastery of persuasion his understanding

of people the way he's tapped into the

zeitgeist the way he understands

everything from you know product design

all the way through you know music

writing producing you know the the

promotional part of it the live events

every part of what Kanye has mastered is

in the world of persuasion you know

design is persuasion the way he packages

himself it's all persuasion it's not an

accident that we're talking about him

instead of someone else

that's all persuasion and that level of

talent that is so broad and and fits all

the right types of persuasion if you

think he can't get there if he wants it

that you should not be skeptical about

he can get there if he wants it would he

win would he make a difference would he

be a good president

we can't know those things but certainly

he has the capability

bum-bum-bum yeah I need to start doing

some podcasts with other people I should

start doing that again I was waiting for

something to happen and I think it's

almost happened all right is it right

anything else happening that's important

oh yeah let's talk about North Korea

I'll give you a bonus North Korea thing

so I've also told you that the most

credible voice I hear talking about

North Korea is Gordon Chang

so whenever he's got an article or he

has an interview you know I go to it

like a bullet because everything he says

is reasonable and well informed or at

least it comes off that way to me now

while he was saying is that there's a

concern and I don't know what what level

of risk to put on that so that's what

we're going to talk about that North

Korea is only pretending to play nice

with South Korea so that they can do

something like a reunification which

will end up with North Korea in charge

of South Korea personally I see that

risk as close to zero there's nothing

nothing as zero but that's pretty close

to zero and here's why they're roughly

twice as many South Koreans as North

Koreans and certainly any kind of

reunification is going to be you know a

democratically inspired system so

they're so South Korea is not going to

vote North Korea into power when they

have literally double the number of

citizens they also the South Koreans

also have all of the money so at any

kind of a popularity contest they're

going to have persuasion and once they

open up communication and people people

in the North get to have news for the

first time

there really isn't any chance the Kim

jong-un is going to be the leader of a

unified North Korea you know I don't

want to say there's zero chance but if

that's what we're worrying about that's

a pretty good place to be you know

imagine we went from worrying that North

Korea could launch a nuclear weapon at

me you know in California at me and blow

me up and a nuclear bomb and it could

happen you know within days that's what

we were worrying about a few months ago

today a I always say it's a legitimate

conversation but one of the things we're

worried about is that 51 million South

Koreans would lose out to 24 million

North Koreans in a democratic process

that would take a long time to work out

etc I just don't see that as a risk

right now I suppose it's possible you

could make some kind of accidental weird

mistake crafting your constitution that

gave the North way more power than it

should have for the size of its

citizenship

I suppose it's pause it possible I mean

I can't even think about you do that but

maybe you know it would be something

dumb like you know giving one vote well

actually they could you know if they

came up with something like an electoral

college that artificially gave North

Korea you know as much power as South

Korea I suppose I could happen but I

don't see them making that kind of a

mistake they aren't going to be United

silly talk I am predicting that they

will be United but I have recommended

what I call the hundred year plan so

that the current people will be dead

before the hard decisions have to be

made and Society will have you know

decades to just sort of get used to it

and figure out how to make it work but

in the short term they can have lots of

communication and lots of cooperation

that would be country like where they're

making the final decisions that are

going to be hard Iran says zero

negotiations if we pull out yeah so Iran

is talking tough I'm gonna have to can I

have to confess that of you know all of

the topics that are in the headlines

probably one that I understand the least

is the Iran nuclear deal

so I feel like I need to bring myself up

to speed on some of the key points of

that to form an opinion because I don't

yet have an opinion whether the deal we

have is a good one or a bad one

no I read the criticisms and I

understand that there are lots of smart

people who say oh my god this deal is

horrible and I don't discount that but I

also haven't seen the reasons yet or at

least not not consolidated in a place

where I can see you know the Pro and the

con and make a my own decision but I

will tell you this there's almost no

chance that we can't improve on the deal

so if what Trump is saying is you know

three quarters of a deal isn't good

enough we should we should take it to

something that really could last and

make a difference and really work I

would listen to that conversation but I

don't have an independent opinion yet by

the way I do most of you I'd be a bit

curious how many of you think the Iran

deal is unambiguously bad give me your

opinions how many think the current Iran

deal is so bad

let's say so bad that we should walk

away yeah I think all of you are going

to say that now I worry that this is you

know what we're seeing is just team

sport abhi

because I can't believe that most of you

understand the Iran deal well enough to

have an informed opinion some of you do

certainly but how many of you well let's

let's let me change the question now

here's a new question I'll wait for your

answers to end so that they don't get

confused with the last question all

right so stop answering the question of

whether you like the deal all right so

no more answering the question about

whether you like the Iran deal here's

the next question do you feel that you

personally understand the rate the Iran

deal all of its ramifications the ins

and outs well enough to have an informed

opinion how many of you believe you have

an informed opinion about the Iran deal

raise your hand if you have an informed

opinion there's a little delay here so

all right yes or no do you have an

informed opinion about the Iran nuclear

deal it got really quiet here didn't

somebody saying okay nope nope nope

one couple of yeses alright so so you

saw what happened here if you're

watching in the comments when I said do

you think of the Iran deal is a bad deal

it was close to a hundred percent

agreement that it was a bad deal when I

asked the same crowd do you think you

understand the Iran deal enough to

really know if it's a good or a bad deal

seventy-five percent of you said you

don't understand it so that's a pretty

good indication that people have lined

up by team meaning that yeah somebody

just said I trust to trump and if he

says it's bad and that's that's not

unreasonable so don't take any of this

as a criticism if your opinion is that

the people you trust to know what a good

deal looks like to say it's not a good

deal and you just agree with the experts

that's not unreasonable

but I was just curious how many of you

felt you independently understood the

the situation well enough personally I

am influenced by the fact that President

Trump says it's a bad deal but I would

put this spin on it he would say it's a

bad deal even if he thought it was a

pretty good deal that could be a little

bit better so in Trump says it's the

worst deal in the world you have to you

know mentally adjust if for hyperbole to

say okay does that really mean it's just

the worst deal in the world or does that

mean it's got a few things he needs to

fix and saying it's the worst thing in

the world and we're gonna walk away from

it it's a way to fix those few things

let's say that the IC wasn't it the

long-term the long-range missiles that

are somewhat the issue so you have to

worry about how the experts are are

phrasing it because they're trying to

persuade they're both trying to persuade

Iran and they're trying to persuade the

public so you're not really getting nor

should you get right this is also not a

criticism if President Trump does not

give you a an objective accurate

impression of the Iran deal that is not

a problem it's really not his job to

inform us of the details if doing so to

inform us accurately if doing so is bad

for the country and it's it's America

first right make America great again the

president doesn't work for Iran he works

for America so when he when he describes

a problem his description is not

intended to be accurate it is intended

to get the best result for America so if

you trusted him that this deal is the

worst thing you've ever seen keep in

mind he wasn't really talking to you he

was talking to Iran and he's negotiating

so it could be

and this is my I'll say this is a

preliminary opinion which I could quite

easily get moved to from my guess is

that we've got a 75% good deal and that

the 25% we don't have is pretty

important and it would be completely

reasonable and the fact I would expect

it for people like Bolton and Trump to

say now we're walking away it's we're

steel in the world you know we'd rather

be in a nuclear confrontation than to

accept this deal you know so keep in

mind that there's a positioning thing

going on here that conceals how you know

conceal some of the objective facts I

I'll tell you one thing I would say for

sure if if Iran as a public government

preference is still saying you know

let's let's end israel so the way that

iran talks about israel and what they're

doing with hamas and all the things that

they're doing to bring trouble and/or an

end to israel if all those things are

happening then i would say there's no

such thing as a good nuclear deal you

know if it leaves out anything so the

only deal with iran there would be a

good one in the context of them actively

trying to you know end israel is you

know a hundred percent you you got it

you got to stop doing all of it yeah

there's no such thing as okay you're 90

percent good but only 10 percent you're

trying to destroy israel that's no good

you can't leave 10 percent on the table

of 10 percent trying to destroy a

neighboring country with your long-range

missiles or whatever you're doing so you

kind of have to go for a hundred percent

certainty on your deals of what you're

not allowing because of the way they're

talking

now imagine if I ran imagine if Iran had

completely changed its I know it's

government or its or its opinion on

Israel and said alright we give up

Israel's there you know we're gonna

recognize you and support you would you

then be okay with the Iran deal let's

let's say Iran stopped funding Hamas

that's not gonna happen but let her yeah

let's say they Hezbollah I'm sorry let's

say they stopped funding Hezbollah they

stopped you know being anti-israel and

let's say they let's say Iran recognized

Israel it recognized the right to exist

did it publicly and officially would you

then still have a problem with them

having long-range missiles probably yes

because you know they might have

problems with Saudi Arabia or somebody

else but you would certainly look at it

differently so I think as long as Iran

is talking you know talking against

Israel there's no such thing as a deal

that's good enough yeah there's no such

thing as well it's pretty good that just

won't be a concept if they're still

talking about destroying Israel but

remember the Golden Age is when we

realize that most of our problems are

psychological the problem with Iran and

Israel is entirely psychological and

therefore I believe that President Trump

is maybe the first president who ever

had at least a chance of making

something good happen there we've never

had the right team in place now we do

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